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Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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Re: Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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Your question starts with a false premise "Everybody lies". You lie, and justify the lying by projecting it on to everybody else. The answer is very simple, stop lying. You'll find everything beneath you fall away. Your relationships will all be adjusted to accomodate your truthfulness. Your life would be unrecognisable months from now. And you will no longer be super depressed about having to lie. Personally I don't…

While I was on the same page when I was fresh out of college and actually did believe this... I am sorry but I have learned otherwise only after stumbling through all the really uncomfortable life experiences from working in a large "regulated" bank, to working in a funky tech startup with "great" founders, to starting my own company and pitching to "great" investors, to even the personal relationships and even the o…

Sounds like you've been engaging sociopaths on their own turf, and yes I can see that in that environment everyone lies would be a true statement. Personnally, I don't lie about anything, and I find life to be very simple. I don't have to think about what I told to who, when. But I'm just an old developer who's been in the trenches for a lonng time.

You might read up on the gervais priciple, it explains a lot imo.

https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-...

Re: Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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I don't really buy any of your assertions. Why even lie? If you're lying to get out of an uncomfortable situation for example, you can't possibly value that person that much no? Ultimately, if telling the truth kills the relationship, it was probably never really alive to begin with.

As you lie it'll only beget more lying. E.g. Pretending to be friends with someone which will only get you more pretend friends and so forth.

What exactly is the end goal of lying? Financial gain? Prestige? Power?

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Anyway, it's pretty easy to tell when someone lies consistently. When you do so the honest people will begin to limit interactions with the liar. And so your interactions will be consist of a higher and higher percentage of liars. Eventually you'll have to lie to keep up with the other liars. It's almost like the "keeping up with the joneses" effect, but with lying.

I've found that most vices are committed in pursuit of others. Identifying those and eliminating all of them (not necessarily entirely, but together) is the solution, if you that's what you want.

Re: Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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Interesting question. I don't completely agree. I've learnt that lying is a statement based on the assumption of absolutes, meaning that you are certain of one outcome but are presenting another. This might be presumptuous as a start. To be fully truthful, I've found it helpful to consider myself capable of fault and not fully informed to make absolute assertions, but rather I opt for statements of confidence with na…

As I mentioned in the other comment I think it's easier to be honest when you are in a position of power (economically or socially) as you can probably absorb the repercussions without too much of a harm. Like probably only telling the positive stats when raising money is much more beneficially. It's always great to have some friend to ground you back again in truth, but it's very rare to find such folks. Most people…

Can't argue with that.

Re: Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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Most people can detect lies easily, they just don't bother with confrontation so maybe you did not get better at lying, simply people started giving less weight to your words. Your relationships got easier because they become weaker and more shallow and that might be one reason why you get super depressed once in a while.

Re: Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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What sorts of lies are we talking about? What context?

"I love your new haircut!" is a very different lie from "I used to be pen pals with Barack Obama".

Telling a creepy stranger at a bar "I have a boyfriend" is a different sort of lie than saying the same thing to your friend who lives across the country.

And "I've got food poisoning" is a very different "I can't come into work today" excuse/lie than "my grandmother just died".

In each of these juxtapositions, people will judge you less harshly (and you should probably judge yourself less harshly) for the former lie than the latter.

The difference basically boils down to the fact that it's normal, it's not especially harmful, and to a degree it's expected that people sometimes tell transient untruths to grease the wheels of social interaction or get out of an uncomfortable situation.

What's not OK or accepted is to tell lies that misrepresent yourself, your history, or your life situation to someone with whom you have an ongoing personal or professional relationship.

If you're telling the former type of lies, I suggest you find a way to live with the fact that you and everyone else tell them and probably always will.

If you're telling the latter type, you may want to engage in some self-examination as to why. It's the sort of choice that can get you into major difficulties, and it's the sort of problem you can even get professional help for.

Re: Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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Check out the book "Radical Honesty" by Brad Blanton. He proposes a way of living ones life without all of the small lies, and the benefits there of.

A. J. Jacobs' interview with the author[0] is an interesting read.

[0] http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a26792/honesty0707/

Re: Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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"as I have grown older it's become second nature to quickly cook up a lie to get out of an uncomfortable situation"

Thats a terrible habit to have developed. The old idea ideas of honor, of character, of moral strength, of reputation grew because they were based in innate principals of human trust. We live now in a transient place where people switch groups at the drop of the hat so some people think these ideas no longer apply. These people are wrong and the old ideas will be back with a vengeance. Be someone you would want to do business with. Have as a friend, as a lover. Otherwise you are in for a long, lonely and difficult road moving from place to place as you burn one set of people after another. Because cultures that lie as a habit ultimately can't out-compete those where honer is an important attribute. Don't be very clever. Just as in code, it catches up with one soon enough and it's just not worth it.

Re: Ask HN: Everybody lies. How do you deal with it though?

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I used to be in a similar situation until I decided to rectify it all at once: Not only I never (almost) lie, but I tell the blatant truth. This dropped the number of my friends to a few. (or three at best count?).

Guess what? I no longer have to care about it because I played it the other way: I don't have to adjust my way of life for you, so only friends that can adjust to your way of life sticks around.

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