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Ask HN: Ever faced difficulties pivoting your job or career later in your life?

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Re: Ask HN: Ever faced difficulties pivoting your job or career later in your life?

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And let's be real regarding ageism, you only get about 10 years of not being "too old", and then for the rest of your career it's going to be an issue whether big or small. Part of being a professional is navigating all of the BS you will get if you are not under 35, white, straight, and male.

>Part of being a professional is navigating all of the BS you will get if you are not under 35, white, straight, and male.

Navigating unjust discrimination like a white male not getting hired due to an employer's fear of fines from the EEOC because the EEOC arbitrarily decides there's already too many white males in the company?

At least that white male can take a step back and make himself more competitive on a resume by getting a more specialized degree, although he will have to figure out how to overcome discriminatory affirmative action quotas during the admissions process.

If a white male decides the job search is discriminatorily stacked against him, he might decide it would be better to just give up on it altogether and start a small business, but he can forget about the good kinds of SBA financing: white males aren't eligible.

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I've made a few career changes so maybe some insight. I've went from developer to creative producer to enterprise architect to now AI. For the most part they wont hire you because they don't believe your skills transfer. So to get the job you want you need to do the job. The best way to do this is to talk, network, share, speak, code in the new industry you want to enter. Agism, Techism, all the ism's are really an a…

Just curious, what is your AI firm?

Re: Ask HN: Ever faced difficulties pivoting your job or career later in your life?

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This is the situation I am currently finding myself in. I work as a telephone switch administrator for an independent phone company in Canada. I've had this just for 13 years now, it was the only job I've had since university. My undergrad is in computer science. I ended up with this job because the company bought out a friend's ISP that I was helping run when I was in high school. It was a good job, nice company, they treat me very well. Pay isn't quite at industry standards, but back then I was living in an isolated Northern Ontario Community, so it was a decent job. Plus it allowed me to work from home.

But I love programming. I've been doing it ever since I was a kid on a Commodore 64. While I do get to do a good amount of programming, I wish I could do more. It would be awesome to get more into systems or embedded programming. I recently moved to Ottawa, one of Canada's major tech hubs, and I've been sending out resumes everywhere. So far I've only gotten one interview, which was at Shopify. But I didn't make it past the initial interview--there were too many other applicants with more experience than me. I've applied to other telecom related vendors as well, like Cisco, Genband, Nokia, etc. but I've never gotten a callback.

Now I find myself wishing that after graduating university I'd taken an internship at Nortel or someplace like that, so that I'd have it on my resume, and focused on my programming career rather than just keeping the same job. I find that all entry level job postings are for new graduates only. I've contemplated doing my masters so that I could "reboot" my career so to speak and become a "new graduate."

Re: Ask HN: Ever faced difficulties pivoting your job or career later in your life?

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Yes. I had a lot of problems. In my late 30s, I worked at a large multinational for 10 years doing... some kind of middlemanagement sharepoint stuff that makes my brain fall asleep just thinking about it. For about the last 4 years i knew i had to get out, but never did.

Eventually redundancy was offered and i went for it, all eager to throw myself far away from microsoft vista, sharepoint and balanced scorecards into the brave new ubuntu/os-x, ruby, agile world.

I worked on side projects, i built stuff, i hosted on heroku, i went to meet-ups, i got mentored, i did all the stuff... except get a job. I went to interview after interview (where i did actually get an interview). I got short term contracts and held on until i was thrown out - what i realise now that i didn't realise then was my confidence was shot. I was dwindling savings, keeping a brave face throwing myself into everything but the constant rejection was killing me, i just never realised it.

One day a doctor friend mentioned that they needed 'an IT guy' in their clinic, with nothing else going i submitted the 42875th iteration of my cv. I had no idea what the job would entail when i went for it, it turned out that they had no idea what they wanted, but part of the job was making sure that 'PC LOAD LETTER' doesn't stop them from printing letters, but the interesting part was that they had to submit governmental reports on patient demographics and results - this was the interesting bit (for me).

So i took the job (awful, awful pay in the NHS it was about 13K (gbp) but it just about broke me even... although possibly not after childcare). But learned R and started rewriting excel macros and dismantling legacy access databases (where applicable, some were perfectly good) and off loading heavy lifting tasks to R - it was a tremendous expereience. The clinic was very happy with my work (as well as the data stuff i would come in weekends to help fix computers). But the most important thing was i LOVED my work, and so my confidence was back.

This was the single most important thing, i loved my job, i loved getting clinic computers working in an underfunded clinic, i loved helping management identify trends in their clinics. And i came home from work, broke, but very happy. And that was the key to getting my confidence back.

I've since moved, i'm in my 40s still very happy working as a data engineer but the reason i write this is perhaps there is industry bias, perhaps there are people looking at you and thinking 'too old' - but perhaps there are people looking at you thinking you lack confidence. Are there perhaps any places that NEED someone like you? where you could find a fit?

Re: Ask HN: Ever faced difficulties pivoting your job or career later in your life?

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If you were in the same industry (potentially the same company) for 12 years, you may be getting tagged with a bit of a "career employee" stigma. I'm 49 now and took 5 years out between the ages of 39-44 to teach English in Japan. I'm back in the industry now. It took me about a month to get a job when I came back. The key is really flexibility. If you have a a very narrow focus, you will have difficulty getting work…

>There is absolutely nothing wrong being a pre-sales guy.

Good pre-sales people with technical knowledge and some commercial acumen are like gold dust.

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I am now preparing for a small-ish pivot. For the last 12 or years I have been a Drupal / PHP consultant, architected a few very large sites, including one at the time being in the Quantcast Top 100. I am now trying to branch out to Elixir or Go and can't really find a part time job doing either. I think this would be necessary to build up some experience before completely jumping the Drupal ship. I am 42.

Stay at it, get as much learning in as you can. E.g. do a very simple project that you can expose on github, publish to a cloud server somewhere .. this will let you show them what you can do. Perhaps also look at supporting stacks like Angular1/2, at least down here the demand is through the roof for them.

I went from Coldfusion/Php for decades to C# / Asp.net after redundancy and it was not easy. Got there in the end though, but I was fairly frustrated for a while.

I'm 43 / straight / white male with a child. Fwiw, I regret not spending more time on my physical fitness during my time off, but I'm back at it now. Just a gut feel (no pun intended), but I reckon fitness could become a factor in interviews; it certainly helps with sustaining focus though.

Re: Ask HN: Ever faced difficulties pivoting your job or career later in your life?

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If you were in the same industry (potentially the same company) for 12 years, you may be getting tagged with a bit of a "career employee" stigma. I'm 49 now and took 5 years out between the ages of 39-44 to teach English in Japan. I'm back in the industry now. It took me about a month to get a job when I came back. The key is really flexibility. If you have a a very narrow focus, you will have difficulty getting work…

>There is absolutely nothing wrong being a pre-sales guy. Good pre-sales people with technical knowledge and some commercial acumen are like gold dust.

Ya, I didn't even know what "pre-sales" meant before getting the pre-sales architect job I have now. Know your tech, know how to dev something, but mostly know how to communicate. It's the communication thing that often separates folks. I really like having that customer interaction in different industries and solving different problems, also traveling.

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So if they tell you you are too old in your early 30s/40s/50s/etc. their hiring policy is fucked up in the first place, so do not worry about that, as you do not want to work for such a company anyway. My advice is to think about the $domain (news, social-media, medical devices, bioinformatics, vision, gaming, earth-observation, automobile, chemistry, education, ...) you would like to work in and the $activity (softw…

Just to be clear, I was never told that I am "too old" but simply wasn't a "culture fit". Note that particular reason was given probably 1 out of every 10 times and the other 9 times, it is usually along the lines of "we did not find you a good fit for the role".

Funny enough, I do have a particular industry (actually two) that I am extremely interested in - FinTech and Cloud Computing/Hosting. Neither which I have any commercial experiences in and only ever dabbled on my own free time.

And yes, I have tried cold emailing companies that I am interested in but no dice. :(

Thanks for your reply though! Did get me thinking.

Re: Ask HN: Ever faced difficulties pivoting your job or career later in your life?

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Given your skills and industry focus you might have good chances to land a consulting job at one of the big IT consulting shops in telecommunications.

I have worked as a business consultant at Accenture for six years in its telecommunications practice. Assuming your resume highlights both your technical and sales skills, you surely would have made it to an onsite interview for our team. With 12 years industry experience and team lead experience you could at least push for Manager level (the lowest executive level) or higher. For a technical role you should apply at Technology Services, not Consulting. Either way, that you have deep experience with specific vendor products also is a credential that you should highlight.

I am not at Accenture anymore and have no stakes in recruiting. My post most probably also applies to the other big shops in the industry: IBM, CapGemini, probably Siemens depending on your location.

If you need a personal contact in Austria/Germany I might be able to help (just updated my profile with my contacts).

Re: Ask HN: Ever faced difficulties pivoting your job or career later in your life?

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If you were in the same industry (potentially the same company) for 12 years, you may be getting tagged with a bit of a "career employee" stigma. I'm 49 now and took 5 years out between the ages of 39-44 to teach English in Japan. I'm back in the industry now. It took me about a month to get a job when I came back. The key is really flexibility. If you have a a very narrow focus, you will have difficulty getting work…

This is gold! Can't thank you enough for your input.

Just as a side note, while my professional life is very "narrow", I have been doing stuff on the side! I own 3 dropshipping sites (WooCommerce & Shopify) and 2 pseudo-SaaS sites (one MEAN stack and the other Meteor.JS). I started these projects last year just so that I can get my hands dirty in the latest web technologies (last time i made a full fledged website, I was using LAMP and/or Perl!) and also, hopefully, generate some side income for myself (my FI goals is a story for another day).

Anyway, I did include these projects in some of my applications where appropriate but it seems to be ignored. There was another Ask HN thread on this particular topic [1] and it seems that side projects are generally ignored?

You did raise an interesting point on meetups, coding dojos, conferences, etc which will provide an avenue for me to meet people to hopefully build a network outside of my current profession. There is one thing I am absolutely confident with is talking to people! I love being in customer support. :)

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13463105

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