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Ask HN: I have just turned down my first contract. Am I an idiot?

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Re: Ask HN: I have just turned down my first contract. Am I an idiot?

#11
1900 Eur/Month ¿before or after taxes? There is a huge difference (1900 gross will be about 1200-1400/month after taxes).

20k/yr is a average salary for a junir developer in Spain. 30-35k/yr for an experienced one (5+ years). 35-45k for a manager.

The red flag for me is the lack of information about your role in the company. This means peope in HR don't have a clue about what is going on. Probably you'd be outsourced to a client (a sign of the non-negotiable money amount).

Re: Ask HN: I have just turned down my first contract. Am I an idiot?

#13
Social skills at play here: send them a new e-mail asking for your exact terms. You have seen the employer lowballing you and you feel trust is severed, but it is gamesmanship. You need to practice and learn this fundamental too, so no fear and no regret.

Re: Ask HN: I have just turned down my first contract. Am I an idiot?

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post #11

1900 Eur/Month ¿before or after taxes? There is a huge difference (1900 gross will be about 1200-1400/month after taxes). 20k/yr is a average salary for a junir developer in Spain. 30-35k/yr for an experienced one (5+ years). 35-45k for a manager. The red flag for me is the lack of information about your role in the company. This means peope in HR don't have a clue about what is going on. Probably you'd be outsourced…

1900 and change after taxes.

Indeed it is indeed for another company (client). I would have been dispatched to a French telco operator as a developer/engineer.

Re: Ask HN: I have just turned down my first contract. Am I an idiot?

#16
Hi,

We are currently searching for more developers at talkwalker.com in Luxembourg.

If you are interested, please send me your resume to tbritz@talkwalker.com and reference this thread, and if all is fine, I will you invite you for an interview. It would require you to move to Luxembourg though.

Re: Ask HN: I have just turned down my first contract. Am I an idiot?

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post #11

1900 Eur/Month ¿before or after taxes? There is a huge difference (1900 gross will be about 1200-1400/month after taxes). 20k/yr is a average salary for a junir developer in Spain. 30-35k/yr for an experienced one (5+ years). 35-45k for a manager. The red flag for me is the lack of information about your role in the company. This means peope in HR don't have a clue about what is going on. Probably you'd be outsourced…

1900 and change after taxes. Indeed it is indeed for another company (client). I would have been dispatched to a French telco operator as a developer/engineer.

Telcos are very hard places to live today.

16-18 years ago money was flowing in without stop and now it's the oppossite.

I would go to a telco again only if I could work in a big data product.

Telcos have the best dataset available; but they cannot sell it for regulatory reasons. Banks have the second best (where money is spent), but face the same problem.

Re: Ask HN: I have just turned down my first contract. Am I an idiot?

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post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1900 and change after taxes. Indeed it is indeed for another company (client). I would have been dispatched to a French telco operator as a developer/engineer.

Telcos are very hard places to live today. 16-18 years ago money was flowing in without stop and now it's the oppossite. I would go to a telco again only if I could work in a big data product. Telcos have the best dataset available; but they cannot sell it for regulatory reasons. Banks have the second best (where money is spent), but face the same problem.

The position offered to me was not as interesting.

Basically I would have been developing their PHP/JavaEE website where they display news, sport, weather, announcements, etc.. With some interaction stats behind.

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