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Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

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Post by foldr »

>What's the worst that it will happen to you?

I don't want to make this too personal, but I notice that in another post you were talking about how you have a site which is aiming to make it easier for Latinos to get jobs in tech. And by the way, it sucks that it got such a negative reaction, but HN is a very conservative forum.

Trump's policies might not have an effect on you personally. (I'm aware that the majority of Latinos in the US are citizens or green card holders and don't have to worry about immigration rules, etc.) But I'm kind of baffled that you can't see why Latinos in general might have something to fear from a Trump presidency. If Trump means what he says, millions of Latinos are going to be deported, including family members of US citizens.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

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Post by moyta »

vsergiu wrote: post #9
moyta wrote: post #3

The majority voted for Hillary, by 200,000 votes. Our electoral college system and the Democratic Party not controlling many states due to their own failings at state level politics is what is allowing Trump to win despite losing the popular vote. There is a deep seated fear of what will happen under Trump, whether that be the banning of abortions, another bubble like under George W Bush, the destruction of trade tie…

I don't like Trump... but the guy made billions ... even tho some people will argue that he avoided paying taxes and other stuff. Still... he is not stupid, he will not go bananas. I think there will be economic growth in America. Hopefully less corruption and no terrorism. Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrori…

Trump isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, but he is not stupid. I predict economic growth via another few bubbles under his presidency, and during that I hope to be one of the ones to get in & get out from one of those bubbles.

Not saying my hope to get in & get out is realistic, but I can dream.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

#13

Post by informatimago »

i_feel_great wrote: post #2

Saying those things about Muslims, Mexicans and all the other dumb shit (you go Google it yourself) makes him worse than Bush or Obama. But not as bad as Clinton. Those vicious wars in the Middle East continued and got worse on her watch. In fact, according to the emails leaked by Wikileaks, she actively solicited payments from the Saudi and the Qatari government whilst she was representing the US as Secretary of Sta…

It doesn't make him worse than Bush or Obama. It makes him more honest.

I'd tend to think that people who express themselves outside of PC-talk, are actually better than those who learned to lie and hide their mischievous thoughts behind socially accepted PC-talk. The later consistenty do much worse things. You can always label bad things under "good" PC-words. How good is that?

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

#14

Post by informatimago »

zimpenfish wrote: post #7

> What's the worst that it will happen to you? To most people on HN? Nothing. To women? Losing agency over their bodies. To black people? Losing the right to vote. To LGBTQ people? Losing a lot of rights. etc.etc.

LGBTQ people are still either men or women, so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women.

Do you mean that because they label themselves LGBTQ they have MORE rights than "normal" people?

How shameful of them of having and keeping more rights! They should be the first to be wanting to relinquish them!

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

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Post by HighSense »

vsergiu wrote: post #9
moyta wrote: post #3

The majority voted for Hillary, by 200,000 votes. Our electoral college system and the Democratic Party not controlling many states due to their own failings at state level politics is what is allowing Trump to win despite losing the popular vote. There is a deep seated fear of what will happen under Trump, whether that be the banning of abortions, another bubble like under George W Bush, the destruction of trade tie…

I don't like Trump... but the guy made billions ... even tho some people will argue that he avoided paying taxes and other stuff. Still... he is not stupid, he will not go bananas. I think there will be economic growth in America. Hopefully less corruption and no terrorism. Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrori…

> Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrorism and common people not being happy)

What? I'll grant you the corrupt politicians and stupid politics, but you get those anywhere and everywhere.

Terrorism? Yeah, sure it seems to have spiked lately, but if you count mass shootings as terrorism I'd wager the US would have more incidences of terrorism than any European nation. The US is also listed as having a higher rank on the Global Terrorism Index for 2015.

And finally, Europe has some of the most highly rated nations in terms of their citizens' happiness, at least the Scandinavians are enjoying themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Terrorism_Index (2015 data) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report (2016 data)

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

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Post by foldr »

informatimago wrote: post #13
i_feel_great wrote: post #2

Saying those things about Muslims, Mexicans and all the other dumb shit (you go Google it yourself) makes him worse than Bush or Obama. But not as bad as Clinton. Those vicious wars in the Middle East continued and got worse on her watch. In fact, according to the emails leaked by Wikileaks, she actively solicited payments from the Saudi and the Qatari government whilst she was representing the US as Secretary of Sta…

It doesn't make him worse than Bush or Obama. It makes him more honest. I'd tend to think that people who express themselves outside of PC-talk, are actually better than those who learned to lie and hide their mischievous thoughts behind socially accepted PC-talk. The later consistenty do much worse things. You can always label bad things under "good" PC-words. How good is that?

Trump had a consistent record of telling lies during the campaign. He may have been honest about his racism but he was dishonest about a whole bunch of other things.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

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Post by foldr »

informatimago wrote: post #14
zimpenfish wrote: post #7

> What's the worst that it will happen to you? To most people on HN? Nothing. To women? Losing agency over their bodies. To black people? Losing the right to vote. To LGBTQ people? Losing a lot of rights. etc.etc.

LGBTQ people are still either men or women, so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women. Do you mean that because they label themselves LGBTQ they have MORE rights than "normal" people? How shameful of them of having and keeping more rights! They should be the first to be wanting to relinquish them!

>so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women.

Not if the supreme court overturns the previous ruling on gay marriage.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

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Post by moyta »

HighSense wrote: post #15
vsergiu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't like Trump... but the guy made billions ... even tho some people will argue that he avoided paying taxes and other stuff. Still... he is not stupid, he will not go bananas. I think there will be economic growth in America. Hopefully less corruption and no terrorism. Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrori…

> Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrorism and common people not being happy) What? I'll grant you the corrupt politicians and stupid politics, but you get those anywhere and everywhere. Terrorism? Yeah, sure it seems to have spiked lately, but if you count mass shootings as terrorism I'd wager the US would have…

Terrorism is such a low priority though, we would be much better off focusing on cutting our mortality rate from car accidents and maternal deaths during pregnancy, we would save waaaay more people from dying with much less funding.

There is no good reason we can't cut maternal deaths to under 100 versus the 670 odd deaths a year currently, we have the infrastructure, just not the willpower to save those 570 women's lives.

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

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Post by zimpenfish »

moyta wrote: post #18
HighSense wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Look at Europe... they have the "open mindset" approach and there are more problems there than anywhere in the world (regarding politics, terrorism and common people not being happy) What? I'll grant you the corrupt politicians and stupid politics, but you get those anywhere and everywhere. Terrorism? Yeah, sure it seems to have spiked lately, but if you count mass shootings as terrorism I'd wager the US would have…

Terrorism is such a low priority though, we would be much better off focusing on cutting our mortality rate from car accidents and maternal deaths during pregnancy, we would save waaaay more people from dying with much less funding. There is no good reason we can't cut maternal deaths to under 100 versus the 670 odd deaths a year currently, we have the infrastructure, just not the willpower to save those 570 women's…

As a data point, car accidents in the US have killed 10x as many as 9/11 -every single year- since 1946.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...

Re: Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

#20

Post by moyta »

zimpenfish wrote: post #19
moyta wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrorism is such a low priority though, we would be much better off focusing on cutting our mortality rate from car accidents and maternal deaths during pregnancy, we would save waaaay more people from dying with much less funding. There is no good reason we can't cut maternal deaths to under 100 versus the 670 odd deaths a year currently, we have the infrastructure, just not the willpower to save those 570 women's…

As a data point, car accidents in the US have killed 10x as many as 9/11 -every single year- since 1946. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motor_vehicle_deaths_i...

We can save a good percentage of those 35k people that die every year, at least a few 9/11's a year with just a bit of funding for traffic safety improvements.

I remember as a kid going to a section of railroad track with my mother, where I then asked her why we were here. She said to me "This is where I saved 4 lives a year, this 6 block section of track." One section of sidewalk and a small wood pedestrian bridge saved 2 to 3 kids and 1 to 2 adults (mostly women on their morning jog) from dying every year.

That was one of her proudest accomplishments, even if it was one of the most minor projects she ever did. Simple safety improvements can save many lives, and economically are a great investment. Every dead person is a net loss for the US economically & socially.

On a tangent here, we can fight for a better future, but we need to get Americans protesting for it in streets all across America.

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