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Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

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Maybe I'm at risk of being a fan, but the Google of tomorrow will likely be better than the Google of today. And while they have expanded and evolved I mean this relative to search specifically.

"Google’s mission is to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful."

The universally part has a lot of room to grow, and the useful part changes everyday.

Not having read the book, but based on what you posted, the example is just one of the giant leaps forward and a way they differentiated themselves as a technology and a company. New leaps will present themselves through continuous improvement and reassessing what is useful.

Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

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The answer, I think, is in the book you're reading. Search was stuck long before Google came. Then came Google and they made search better. Right now, search again is stuck. Until someone comes up with a way that everybody else is missing, to take search to a new level.

I am yet to come to that point of the book. Where is the search stuck at the moment? I can't seem to understand that.

some points:

Result quality has not really improved, all the while: more and more content is in silos that are not easily searchable. Spam/SEO/trust in content remain a problem, thus many people rely on social recommendations for content (which has its own problems). More and more content is in non-textual forms. Google (sometimes vastly) prioritizes content on their own platforms.

Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose you are too young to have used Altavista? Or Yahoo "curated" link lists?

Yes I have not used altavista but I have read about it, and I've read the book and I know search was stuck back then, my question was why the above comment says search is stuck at the moment, because I don't see search stuck at the moment.

I am not the OP but I interpret "research is stuck" as follows:

Remember Altavista (and similar search engines from the era?) it worked, but everyone was using the same approach so you got the same results when you searched for a given word... Then Google arrived and the quality of their results looked like magic.

In terms of "user experience" today does resemble then: Bing, DuckDuckGo... They return a subset of what Google finds, not something qualitatively better.

Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

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I consider search an essentially solved problem and I think most people agree with me. When I want to find something I can usually use Google or Bing to get to it within 10 seconds or convince myself it doesn't exist. Will search get better? Probably, but going from 99% to 99.5% isn't very exciting to me.

If anything, I see Google and others moving in a direction of using context to reduce the amount people search (e.g. google now). I think this pattern is going to get much bigger in the coming years with better AIs and more information about what the user is doing.

Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

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I consider search an essentially solved problem and I think most people agree with me. When I want to find something I can usually use Google or Bing to get to it within 10 seconds or convince myself it doesn't exist. Will search get better? Probably, but going from 99% to 99.5% isn't very exciting to me. If anything, I see Google and others moving in a direction of using context to reduce the amount people search (e…

I think there is an area of social search which remains largely untapped. This is because major social networks doesn't allow search engines to search their networks. I think Facebook tired to do this but they used Bing but have they used Google mmm maybe they would have been at social search but I don't think social search will be a thing if Facebook and other networks open up their network

Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

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I consider search an essentially solved problem and I think most people agree with me. When I want to find something I can usually use Google or Bing to get to it within 10 seconds or convince myself it doesn't exist. Will search get better? Probably, but going from 99% to 99.5% isn't very exciting to me. If anything, I see Google and others moving in a direction of using context to reduce the amount people search (e…

I agree with what you've said but I wanted to add that there is room for improvement on Google's model. For example, selling page 1 results is unfair, but that is something google does.

I think DuckDuckGo is an example of how Google's methodology can be refined and improved upon, specifically by not spying on users. It's a subtle improvement, but I find the results I receive are actually superior and more relevant than Google's, plus I don't have to worry about who is watching my traffic.

Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

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The answer, I think, is in the book you're reading. Search was stuck long before Google came. Then came Google and they made search better. Right now, search again is stuck. Until someone comes up with a way that everybody else is missing, to take search to a new level.

It's probably worth pointing out that if anyone has an idea for how to improve on search, they're not going to share it in this thread, they're going to complete it quietly and publish their product.

Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

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Imagine a search engine that not only gave you search results, it used advanced AI to tell you in brief how each result applied to the problem you are currently trying to solve. Currently, you have to waste time thinking about each result to classify the contents, as for example, entertainment, product marketing, opinions and rants, purely factual, legal, political, social networking, media, API/interface, et cetera.

It would also be useful if the search engine could verify statements made on pages and give an accuracy/honesty score for each result. This is particularly important when the author of a page has a serious conflict of interest. Perhaps the search engine could tell you what that conflict is -- to help protect you from deceptive or incomplete information.

Re: Ask HN: Will there be a better Google?

#20
Absolutely. Search is still in the stone age. A new paradigm will come up, and Google, like most large companies, will be too invested to the old way of doing things, they will struggle to adapt. That leaves plenty of opportunities for startups.

For instance: everyone seems to assume that search is about finding the one page on the Internet that best answers the query. Wrong assumption. People want answers, not pages. What about a search engine that combines facts from two pages or more to answer my question.

If you are working on a startup in that space, ping me on AngelList.

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