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Ask HN: Would you walk away or push onwards?

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Re: Ask HN: Would you walk away or push onwards?

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This is what I, taking into account my personal situation of course, would do:

- Make it clear to the co-founder that the business will be between much more likely and 100% likely to shut down if they maintain this complaint. While this seems like it's showing them the power they have, it's much more important to show them how fragile the value of any shares they have are.

- Make an offer between the original offer and 100% vesting. Make it cash heavy if you can, possibly contingent on funding. Make this offer exploding - they need to decide within 1 week and if they don't, you will pull everything except what you feel legally required to put on the table (the vested stock only, no benefits, no severance) and fight this.

This will drag on and kill your company if you let it, and settling could work. If settling doesn't work, you're in a new position, but you need to get this in a position where it will be resolved or not resolved quickly. Then you will know what you're dealing with more clearly, but you are not left with the binary choice you think you are.

Re: Ask HN: Would you walk away or push onwards?

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I'm confused. You state that there's a 36 month vesting agreement with a 1 year cliff. Why doesn't the vesting agreement make this a non-issue?

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Ah, interesting. I was just about to ask you for the details, if only to warn others what not to do.

So, in your termination offer to this person, did you specify the amount that would have been vested under the original agreement, or the new one?

[Added] I wonder if a counteroffer that clearly satisfied the spirit of the original agreement would be accepted. After all, litigation will cost him money, too, and he might lose. Even just splitting the difference -- offering one of the two unvested years' worth of stock -- might be worth trying. They problem is, you'll have to convince them you're not just bluffing when you say that this is the most they'll get out of you without taking you to court.

Re: Ask HN: Would you walk away or push onwards?

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I'm confused. You state that there's a 36 month vesting agreement with a 1 year cliff. Why doesn't the vesting agreement make this a non-issue?

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Oof. I hate to say this because you're the one getting screwed over here, but that was wrong. If you had any idea you were going to let this member go when you had them sign those documents, you may be legally in the wrong and I definitely consider that unethical. 100% understandable but you just can't do that.

Re: Ask HN: Would you walk away or push onwards?

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You got rid of the guy the day after getting new paperwork in place? Man, you guys don't know how to play a subtle game.

Those are months, not days. 1/2016 = January, 2/2016 = February

Re: Ask HN: Would you walk away or push onwards?

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"For reasons ranging from lack of cohesion to poor communication to employee complaints, it was clear that this person needed to be removed from the company." Are we talking about just bad attitude or behavior that could have legal implications?

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So, actual legal implications to the company. I would consult a different lawyer.

Re: Ask HN: Would you walk away or push onwards?

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Wow. I can understand how galling it will be to let this person have what he's demanding. Plus, vesting agreements exist for a reason, and if it gets around that an ousted founder can just demand to be fully vested and it happens, that endangers the whole startup ecosystem. Nonetheless. I'm not a lawyer, or an expert in negotiations, but my take too is that you should settle. It's a rare and special thing to have bui…

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Re: Ask HN: Would you walk away or push onwards?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Ah, interesting. I was just about to ask you for the details, if only to warn others what not to do. So, in your termination offer to this person, did you specify the amount that would have been vested under the original agreement, or the new one? [Added] I wonder if a counteroffer that clearly satisfied the spirit of the original agreement would be accepted. After all, litigation will cost him money, too, and he mig…

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