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Re: Ask HN: Where would you incorporate your European startup?

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EIS & SEIS [1] tax breaks for UK angel investors are a strong argument for the UK. Also R&D investment has tax credits too, so startup salary spend on new product dev is treated well by the UK tax office [2]. Don't know if PT & NL offer any similar breaks for startups & their investors. [1] https://www.crowdcube.com/pg/seis-tax-relief-42 [2] http://forrestbrown.co.uk/rd-tax-credits-explained/

NL offers R&D tax credit - http://english.rvo.nl/subsidies-programmes/wbso-rd-tax-credi...

Don't know about the other part.

Re: Ask HN: Where would you incorporate your European startup?

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Ireland perhaps. Forming a Limited company in Ireland is cheap and straightforward. That is compared to a GmbH in Austria or Germany where you need thousands of Euros in share capital just to form.[0] Ireland uses the Euro, which might be an advantage over the UK with Pounds Sterling. No forex worries. Ireland also has a low corporation tax rate of 12.5% The only two trickier bits are setting up a registered address…

Germany does have the UG (haftungsbeschränkt) for this very reason.

Re: Ask HN: Where would you incorporate your European startup?

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I would definitely check out estonia, you are not taxed on profit but only when you get money out of the company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_Estonia#Corporatio... . On wage there is a 33% social tax with is pretty much the same in Italy and I suspect to be pretty much standard across europe.

thanks!

You are welcome !

BTW if you are a Portuguese citizen you can register your company in a easier way, from this page: https://e-estonia.com/component/e-business-register/

Finally if you want to open a company in estonia you will need a physical address, fortunately the government is aware of this hurdle, and in it's website suggest an handful of providers: https://e-residency.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205207022-...

The one with the nicer website is LeapIN, that has very affordable prices...

Re: Ask HN: Where would you incorporate your European startup?

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I think a major factor in this decision that should not be forgotten is language.

We have a German UG that is a wholly owned subsidiary of a UK Ltd. My co-founder speaks German but without this it would have been extremely complicated to setup and operate the German company.

Re: Ask HN: Where would you incorporate your European startup?

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Ireland perhaps. Forming a Limited company in Ireland is cheap and straightforward. That is compared to a GmbH in Austria or Germany where you need thousands of Euros in share capital just to form.[0] Ireland uses the Euro, which might be an advantage over the UK with Pounds Sterling. No forex worries. Ireland also has a low corporation tax rate of 12.5% The only two trickier bits are setting up a registered address…

Germany does have the UG (haftungsbeschränkt) for this very reason.

Annoyingly though UG doesn't have the same respect as GMBH amongst German corporate, so if you do a lot of business in Germany it often worth capitalising it anyhow.

Re: Ask HN: Where would you incorporate your European startup?

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I've incorporated in the UK but I kind of wonder if I made the right choice. It's a fantastic country, but one thing that bothers me and that I discovered too late - only a few weeks ago - is privacy. This is a real one, pay attention to it.

Basically, private companies are as public as american public companies. It's ok to have disclosures to make to the government, but here you also have to disclose your financials to the general public.

Basically with a simple Google Search anyone can know your turnover, your board minutes, but even - more shockingly - your balance sheet, your MONEY IN THE BANK (are you kidding me ?) and the amount you paid yourself as a director among many other things. I find this shocking for companies that are supposed to be private.

After research I've found this is due to European Regulations so it will likely be the same - or quickly be the same - no matter where you go in Europe.

For this very reason, I'd say that if you value privacy, the best place to incorporate a European Web startup is in the US. I'm gutted because I was more than happy to pay my taxes here, this is just a shame.

Then it will of course depends on your focus and your specifics. For me, I am not after exposive growth and investors money, so controlling my disclosures and my image is key to make serious deals with big clients / partners.

I hope my perspective can be somehow useful for you.

Re: Ask HN: Where would you incorporate your European startup?

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post #2

EIS & SEIS [1] tax breaks for UK angel investors are a strong argument for the UK. Also R&D investment has tax credits too, so startup salary spend on new product dev is treated well by the UK tax office [2]. Don't know if PT & NL offer any similar breaks for startups & their investors. [1] https://www.crowdcube.com/pg/seis-tax-relief-42 [2] http://forrestbrown.co.uk/rd-tax-credits-explained/

To take advantage of R&D though your staff need to be contractors or UK employees, so more difficult if you already have a workforce elsewhere.

Re: Ask HN: Where would you incorporate your European startup?

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post #17

I've incorporated in the UK but I kind of wonder if I made the right choice. It's a fantastic country, but one thing that bothers me and that I discovered too late - only a few weeks ago - is privacy. This is a real one, pay attention to it. Basically, private companies are as public as american public companies. It's ok to have disclosures to make to the government, but here you also have to disclose your financials…

Same is true in Sweden. Just visit allabolag.se
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