Ending it will take decades, as trust comes on foot but leaves on horseback.
Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
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Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#12I'm no expert, but my basic understanding is that Islam is actually a peaceful and loving religion. So the violence commonly associated with Muslims is actually just a radical fringe, not the primary group. So in that sense, there is no Muslim-violence problem any more than there is a Christian-violence problem, or a Hebrew-violence problem. So I don't think the solutions to this problem would be in any way specific…
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#13When France and US killing lots of people, everyone uses words: defend, democracy. When someone from that countries are doing same everyone says: violence, attack, terror. I am not defending violence by ISIS, they are f..ked brains, but put yourself on their place and make decision, when your relatives, brothers and sisters are killed by US/France bombs, what would you do? (P.S. I am not from Middee East)
The middle east has been a mess since pretty much ever. Did the US and allies contribute to make it worse? Yup.
* Do US\UK\France intentionally strikes civilians?
* Is their objective to kill the most civilians on each strike?
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#14The root cause of most Muslim violence is that most Muslims actually believe the claims that the Quran makes about reality. Here is a sample of such quotes directly from the Quran: "Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition. . . .We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The Fire shall be their home" (3:149-51) "Believers,…
If language advocating violence in a religion's scriptures were in itself sufficient to motivate its adherents to commit acts of violence, I would expect comparable levels of violence from these other religions. Given that this is clearly a problem unique to Islam in the modern age, it seems that the proximate cause can't be the Islamic scriptures alone.
Even if I'm not convinced, I disagree that you deserve to be downvoted. You've voiced an unpopular opinion, but it isn't rude or inflammatory (except possibly for the Santa analogy) and doesn't advocate inhumane behavior toward Muslims.
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#15Simple, U.S government leave oil exporter countries and do not f..k their brain with your "democracy". let them manage their own economy, issues, they are not stupid, they can handle and solve issues on their own. Do not lie to your people by saying you are defending from terror attack, thats just ridiculous, you are killing your own citizens and middle east citizens only to get richer.
There are some issues that are global such as basic human rights and we can't just say we won't interfere. If you expect to export your oil to us and do business with us then don't take away basic rights and freedoms from people who don't agree with the majority, i.e. with Islamic theocracy.
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#16The root cause of most Muslim violence is that most Muslims actually believe the claims that the Quran makes about reality. Here is a sample of such quotes directly from the Quran: "Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition. . . .We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The Fire shall be their home" (3:149-51) "Believers,…
I think it should be pointed out though that you have basically made a good and qualified epistemological argument for empiricism. Again, I see nothing wrong with that. But these arguments are nothing new and have, quite literally, been around for millennia. Religion, with all of the varying texts and belief systems, falls squarely into an argument within epistemology. All I ask is that people remember there are many theories in this space of philosophy and while you might "communicat[e] that their beliefs are based on a made up story rather than rooter in reality", they may point out that your reality has changed significantly over a very very short periods of time as abilities to use your senses in different ways to gather knowledge have evolved and changes, and that your reality will continue to do so.
Now, with that, these are philosophies! I can't stand when we teach philosophies as sciences in school (yes, I know, this is a personal belief, but it still drives me batty).
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#17The root cause of most Muslim violence is that most Muslims actually believe the claims that the Quran makes about reality. Here is a sample of such quotes directly from the Quran: "Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition. . . .We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The Fire shall be their home" (3:149-51) "Believers,…
I've encountered this explanation before (most notably from Sam Harris), and I don't feel qualified to disagree with it, but I wonder how you account for the difference between the actions of Muslims and those of other religious traditions whose holy texts contain comparable passages. If language advocating violence in a religion's scriptures were in itself sufficient to motivate its adherents to commit acts of viole…
My hypothesis is twofold: (1) The people doing the violence have been sold on these passages of the scriptures by others; and (2) The people doing this selling are acting for another reason. Hence, the scriptures are serving as a justification, not a cause in and of themselves. There were plenty of times in history where Christians used passages to justify their actions, while the actions themselves were motivated by completely different desires. Essentially the people in discussion here are using scriptures in the same way that lawyers use legal code -- not as a reason to sue, but as a justification of why suit is permissible.
It's all too easy to point a finger at the justification being used. In fact, the ego loves doing so since it helps one to remain willfully ignorant of the actual reasons behind the occurrences. Religion is not the cause; Religion is the justification. Without looking at the cause, one cannot answer the why, nor can one know how to resolve the issue without jumping on the "It's all the religion's fault" bandwagon. The ego loves the path of least resistance.
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#18https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade
End it by replacing guns with first aid and tanks with schools. End it by replacing violence with empathy, by replacing fear with love.
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#19Simple, U.S government leave oil exporter countries and do not f..k their brain with your "democracy". let them manage their own economy, issues, they are not stupid, they can handle and solve issues on their own. Do not lie to your people by saying you are defending from terror attack, thats just ridiculous, you are killing your own citizens and middle east citizens only to get richer.
unacceptable. we are all human beings and like it or not we are connected. if a shariah govt. is suppressing the rights of the people who don't believe in religion or who believe in women's rights, then damn right we're gonna act. There are some issues that are global such as basic human rights and we can't just say we won't interfere. If you expect to export your oil to us and do business with us then don't take awa…
If you think women rights are suppressed in east countries you are wrong, why? 1. you dont live there, so you cannot give objective idea. 2. things which are strange to our culture might be totally acceptable for their culture and maybe they are happy with that. Think about western women who wears anything she likes or even doesnt wear anything if she wants, so does this mean eastern people should come to west and bomb europe and say hey you are violating women right as we believe in our culture? what the hell is this? is this acceptable? when charlie hebdo creates comicses about died Russian people in Egypt is this acceptable? or do you say this is freedom of speech? f..k this kind of dual face freedom of speech and democracy, give people their rights to live on their country with their culture in peace, do your business in your country, if you want to buy something, buy it, dont try to teach them how to live, they know how to live, if they dont they are trying to find a way, this is a nature of human.
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#20The root cause of most Muslim violence is that most Muslims actually believe the claims that the Quran makes about reality. Here is a sample of such quotes directly from the Quran: "Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition. . . .We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The Fire shall be their home" (3:149-51) "Believers,…
As the other commenter pointed out, I don't agree with your mass down voting. I don't necessarily agree with your argument or your conclusion but never the less, I think you presented it quite well. I am also not qualified to comment on Muslim texts and their interpretations. I think it should be pointed out though that you have basically made a good and qualified epistemological argument for empiricism. Again, I see…
I'm not claiming that I perfectly understand reality (who does?), but I am claiming that religious texts (and the people who wrote them) that unequivocally claim that there is a god and they know the will of god, are not rooted in reality. I don't think any religious people claim there is verifiable evidence that their beliefs are correct.
And if you're willing to adopt beliefs on faith alone, how do you decide which beliefs you require evidence for and which beliefs you don't require evidence for?