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Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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Doesn't all technology eventually become commoditized? At the latest, after the patents expire. I think every piece of tech ever invented is either commoditized or is on a path to become so. I think it would be more productive to see if anyone can name a tech that isn't commoditized and isn't likely to in the future.

There's some discussion of companies that hold monopolies in free markets here: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/04/18/for-monopol.... Basically, small companies with strong brands in slow-growing, niche industries. There's nothing really assuring their monopoly except that it's not worth trying to compete with them.

Regarding tech, the best example I can think of is TI and graphing calculators. They don't have a monopoly but they have a strong grasp on a niche industry - it's far from commoditized. I'm sure a company could create a clone, but I don't know if it would be worth the effort for such a small amount of revenue.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could make an argument that those things aren't bought and sold in a free market. Passenger planes and general aviation planes are at least semi-commoditized, but fighters, bombers, spy planes, missiles are all built for basically one buyer, the US DoD. The DoD decides which firms succeed and which fail, essentially. The "market" for nuclear power plants is so regulated as to prevent it from being "free" except t…

Considering the huge risk someone would be putting many others in by attempting to construct and run a fission facility, I'm not sure anyone should be "free" to do so.

But a coal plant spewing radioactive by-products into the air is perfectly kosher, amirite?

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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I know it isnt a "technology" in the traditional sense of the word, but i had a front-row view of Interest Rate Curves over the past 15 years. They went from arcane numbers some PhDs calculated at the back of the trading floor, to things Business Analysts started calculating, to things you could calculate with a standard website to things that were completely transparent and commoditized.

In 2007 when I started building an interest rate curve system for a large asset manager, it cost us about $1.5m to get it up and running and another $200k/yr to maintain/operate. A lot of it was about getting clean data, but there was a lot of model tweaking/testing/maintenance as well.

In 2014 when I left the same Asset Manager, we were able to re-do the same project from scratch with a $100k vendor product. Many quants got rich carefully guarding the creation of "The Curve" and were upset when it became easy to calculate w/o expensive workers. What lead to the commoditization? Several things: 1 - Academic review - lots of papers came out about how to do this. it wasnt patented, it was just a trade secret, but no longer... 2 - Open source, especially QuantLib, which implemented what the papers described 3 - Reference implementations - people outside the industry trying to break in released many reference implementations 4 - Overseas workers - people outside Wall St wanting to break in started doing it for free in hopes of proving their skills 5 - Democratic forums - people on the outside shared knowledge freely, helping unravel the internal trade secrets.

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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I don't mean this quite in the 'derogatory' way it's going to sound like, but offshoring is a serious sign of trouble when it comes to commoditization.

If what you're doing as a business can be done for a fifth of the cost in the Philippines, India, etc, then you have a serious clock on your business model before the 'quality, quality, quality!!' argument runs out.

Seen it with a few things now. The biggest flaw that businesses do in this situation is believe in that the quality of the product will continue to outweigh the cost difference. It won't. ;/

By the way, I'm not saying there's inherently something wrong with the quality of work from those nations, I'm speaking strictly about offshore 'hubs' that are set up to purely be a cost-saving. Those type of hubs have a hugely different mentality when it comes to production in my experience.

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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In its early stages, every technology is vertically integrated, aka tightly coupled.

If you were to buy a minicomputer or mainframe in the 1970s, or a personal computer in the early-1980s, the same provider would make the hardware, peripherals, OS, applications, etc.

As the technology develops, that changes -- the PC market in the 1990s turned the hardware, peripherals into commodities. Until Apple's resurgence, it looked like the whole market outside of the OS would be commoditized.

With smartphoness in the late-2000s, it was a very similar story: tightly-integrated early phones, gradually maturing into more commoditized hardware, peripherals, and applications, while retaining a premium market segment (iOS) with tight vertical integration.

This pattern is fairly similar across industries, some good reading on the topic:

https://hbr.org/2009/12/vertical-integration-can-work/

Clayton Christiansen, "The Innovator's Solution", Chapter 6: "How to Avoid Commoditization"

Simon Wardley and "Wardley maps"; a good intro is here: http://www.slideshare.net/swardley/general-2013

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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- When there is a bunch of people on the internet discussing it.

- When you can buy the components on Alibaba for a fraction of the publicy known price

Example: electric powertrain for cars. You could convert your car in a pure electric one for less than 4000USD by buying the motor & controller on the internet. And 22kWh worth of batteries (18650) for less than 6000USD. Very interesting stuff!

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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post #17

In its early stages, every technology is vertically integrated, aka tightly coupled. If you were to buy a minicomputer or mainframe in the 1970s, or a personal computer in the early-1980s, the same provider would make the hardware, peripherals, OS, applications, etc. As the technology develops, that changes -- the PC market in the 1990s turned the hardware, peripherals into commodities. Until Apple's resurgence, it l…

was The Innovator's Solution a good book ?

Re: Ask HN: What are the signs a piece of technology will become commoditized?

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post #17

In its early stages, every technology is vertically integrated, aka tightly coupled. If you were to buy a minicomputer or mainframe in the 1970s, or a personal computer in the early-1980s, the same provider would make the hardware, peripherals, OS, applications, etc. As the technology develops, that changes -- the PC market in the 1990s turned the hardware, peripherals into commodities. Until Apple's resurgence, it l…

was The Innovator's Solution a good book ?

That chapter, and the two immediately preceding and following, were excellent. The rest was all right.
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