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Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

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Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#11
It really sounds like you need to sit down and have a conversation with your wife about both of your visions for the family, financially and otherwise; right now (from your description) it sounds like you made decisions independently of her that she didn't buy into, and are now trying to guess what might be bothering her about that.

What I think you need to do is work to understand what she is thinking, and work from there to, if possible, come to a mutually-agreeable approach.

I'd be cautious about unilaterally adopting any of the other approaches suggested in the thread (e.g., working from another location), because if the real underlying problem isn't "you're invading my space", but, e.g., "you are unilaterally making decisions and not respecting my concerns", than that may exacerbate rather than mitigate the situation.

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#12
With a kid, your wife's priorities have shifted to revolve completely around him/her. It's a tiring and thankless job, and anything else looks easier in comparison (true or not). Thus, when you abandon your previous role as secure breadwinner to pursue your dreams, it makes it seem like you don't have the same priorities. Add upon that, you are at home and visibly not contributing to the priority, since you have such an easy time (in her eyes). Lastly, it's triply frustrating because she is now dependent on you, having given up her career and her uterus (and thus a reduced chance of finding another breadwinner), but you have ignored her predicament.

Anyway, not saying she is right and I understand the dream as well. Just pointing out her perspective (I've got a kiddo as well).

What is done is done, so the thing to do now is to give it your best shot, but also communicate your progress honestly. You have customers, which should be a great turning point for the both of you.

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#13
Communication is the key. For example, I'm trying to figure out from your post what the actual problem is. It seems like you don't know, which is not exactly a surprise. You say "I think she resents my being in her space during weekdays." First of all, you can ask her what the problem is. Second of all, you can try to give some breathing room by working in a coffee shop or something.

Of course that one issue is not everything, but it is something that could be worked on in the short term.

I highly recommend the book Getting the Love You Want.

edit: Rereading this, it sounds more brusque than I intended. Also, if you do ask your wife what is wrong, that can obviously be a charged conversation. Getting the Love You Want has a technique called the imago dialogue. Even if your wife (who seems reluctant to therapy) won't engage in this, you can still use the techniques yourself. For this particular conversation you want to focus on mirroring, that is: let her speak, then repeat what she told you and ask if you summarized it correctly. If you're not both on the same page, this may end up being one-sided. The point is to make sure you understand her point before you make yours (or vice versa). You will often see you're upset about very different things.

The book is really fascinating.

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#14
post #5

I'm sorry for your situation and wish you the best. You and your wife having a difference of opinions on major life goals is something you should hammer out between yourselves, possibly with the assistance of a professional. Let's focus on the more immediately solvable problems: if you're getting "You are invading my space" / "I see too much of you" signals, trivially solvable. This happened a few months into my marr…

Also, make sure your wife never hears you call her a 'stakeholder'.

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#15
Divorced founder here. I had this experience.

It really works to establish this before you get married.

Since the journey you are on, as you say, it really works when your life partner buys into your vision.

You are going to be making choices about how to work, when to work, and with regard to the current burn rate of your life, and with regard to the value of future pay offs, that are vitally important for people in a relationship to agree on. If your partner doesn't share your passion for this, or believe in you, how are they going to come on that journey with you? Will they be there for you and support you when you and your business need that?

Will they give you the extra runway by getting a job, or will they insist you chuck it in and get a job?

I mean, having a business is a lot of ways like having a baby, you are always working on it, and everything changes around doing it. And it really works for your partner and you to carry that weight together.

No one knows what's going to happen, it could all work out. Maybe it's simply differences in expectations that can be reconciled through communication. Or maybe it's something more fundamental. At this stage tho, you don't know.

My choice was to cut my losses quickly when it seemed like it wasn't working. I would caution against that, since I feel that the marriage is an asset, because of your commitment to each other. When you got married, didn't you vow to be there for each other, through sickness and health, and failure and success? So my recommendation after trying the opposite ( and it not working ) is just stick it out. Try to make it work, because that relationship could be so important to you if it maintains.

In my case, we divorced. Not, mind you, just because of a business. There's always a mix of things, and both people are responsible. I think the main thing was simply not really emphatically communicating about what our expectations were, and also not really being so committed to sticking it out, we both chose to cut our losses. Well, at least we had the same efficient mind! Still I believe through lack of communication and commitment we didn't quite work out exactly what it could have been. So persistence, could really be key.

Later I found someone who really did buy into my vision, and support me while working on the project. Objectively this person is far more compatible with doing this startup, tho the truth is, you never know how things could have been different, had you done them differently.

As other posters suggested -- maybe get some husband time to yourself, away from the wife and kid, cafe working, or cave working, or shed working, some time and place to be around other people who do share your vision. I think that idea of community really helps. Why? Because in a way you are asking your wife to be your community if you don't get out there and rely on others as a community. And being around the energy of others can really refresh you and give you that mental reset so when you come home, it's like a delineated time, and you're all ready to go husband and daddy mode again.

It is a scary time. Maybe rethink feeling ashamed, tho. You're trying to juggle doing a lot of things. You're not doing anything wrong -- you're just trying to make it work. That's noble, not shameful.

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#16
My wife did not want to see a marriage counselor at first either. Our marriage did not improve until we got counseling at our church. Also, I started to exercise and got on a weight loss program to improve my appearance; and upgraded my clothing, which is important to her. The marriage is a work in progress...

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#17
This is not about giving up your dreams, it's about figuring out what your wife needs to be happy being married to you. Her being mad about you being in her space could by a symptom that she feels she is not getting enough of your undivided attention (as others have pointed out). If she is unhappy with your start-up try taking about your plans with her more and see how she reacts. Getting your marriage back on good footing is a bit like A/B testing in that you need to keep trying different things to see what works. A good marriage therapist can help speed up the process.

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#18
I'm really sorry for the situation you're in. It's important that you and your wife have an honest conversation.

You think she resents you but I would advise you to open up and have a chat with her to see what she's upset about. Listen to her speak and feel her heart. Once that happens, open up yours and let her know how you feel about the whole situation.

Marriage is about compromise and communication. There are many reasons why she could be troubled and her resentment may only be just a symptom of a deeper underlying problem. Probe that problem. Figure out what it is.

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#19
post #5

I'm sorry for your situation and wish you the best. You and your wife having a difference of opinions on major life goals is something you should hammer out between yourselves, possibly with the assistance of a professional. Let's focus on the more immediately solvable problems: if you're getting "You are invading my space" / "I see too much of you" signals, trivially solvable. This happened a few months into my marr…

I was going to post the same suggestion regarding coworking spaces, a co-working space and building a work schedule will help you a lot.

Patrick's advice is spot-on as usual.

Re: Ask HN: (married founders): How did you save your marriage?

#20
James Altucher has some sage advice for founder types. Definitely worth your time to check out his blog.

I'm on my second marriage. (First one went 20 years.) I was very clear about my values regarding money and work with my second wife. I fulfilled every vision of the man she was looking for except one. She expected a professional or business man who put on a suit and tie and went to work every day at an office with a steady paycheck. Ties are for weddings and funerals, maybe. I constructed my post-divorce life (my financial needs are minimal) so I wouldn't need a dependable paycheck.

And I love living that way.

Which is one of the reasons I can and love to take on short term projects. Not needing regular income makes all the difference. At this stage of my life (turning 50 next year) having to give up that freedom would be reason enough to leave. Assuming of course reasonable compromises or adjustments and a family therapist didn't help.

Your life. Knowing yourself and how you want to spend your time on this planet is very, very important.

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