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Ask HN: Why hasn't Apple bought a cell carrier like AT&T or Verizon?

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To close the loop on the last missing piece in the iPhone—making it a fully integrated end-to-end communication and media device—Apple buying Verizon would be a game-changer, especially since trust in federal oversight is largely eroded nowadays.

Apple as a company are hitting walls expanding their business, having a carrier would give them another point of innovation

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No device manufacturer would ever be permitted to own a national carrier like that, nor vice-versa. It gives too many opportunities for monopolizing the customer -- like there aren't enough of those already!

What if Apple just operated a MVNO like Google Fi does?

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No device manufacturer would ever be permitted to own a national carrier like that, nor vice-versa. It gives too many opportunities for monopolizing the customer -- like there aren't enough of those already!

What if Apple just operated a MVNO like Google Fi does?

???

Why would they want to halve* their market cap?

Lol.

(*: ok 2T vs. 3T)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if Apple just operated a MVNO like Google Fi does?

??? Why would they want to halve* their market cap? Lol. (*: ok 2T vs. 3T)

What do you mean? Why would operating a MVNO lower their market cap?

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Antitrust; antitrust; antitrust; but also, debt, debt, and more debt. Verizon? $115 billion of it. T-mobile? $78 billion. AT&T? $126 billion. It gets even better when 6G networks start knocking!

So let's make the case to shareholders: We buy Verizon, with a $180 billion market cap, for a substantial premium; assume $115 billion of their debt; there's an investment into 6G on the horizon; this hopefully won't anger any major players in the Android market (e.g. Samsung) from abandoning the network; and this will somehow magically reach the break-even point. Obviously, absurd.

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No device manufacturer would ever be permitted to own a national carrier like that, nor vice-versa. It gives too many opportunities for monopolizing the customer -- like there aren't enough of those already!

What if Apple just operated a MVNO like Google Fi does?

MVNOs are like second or third-tier citizens on mobile carriers, why would Apple hand a lever like that to, say, AT&T?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if Apple just operated a MVNO like Google Fi does?

MVNOs are like second or third-tier citizens on mobile carriers, why would Apple hand a lever like that to, say, AT&T?

That depends on their negotiations, no? Fi has been fantastic for me in the years I've had it, far better than first party AT&T or Verizon for my use cases.

Presumably that's because Google was able to negotiate favorable terms from T-Mobile. I assume Apple would be even better at that.

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??? Why would they want to halve* their market cap? Lol. (*: ok 2T vs. 3T)

What do you mean? Why would operating a MVNO lower their market cap?

Apple has a 3 trillion market cap with a 1/100th of the products that Google makes.

Why would they want to follow a strategy that is evidently worse? Lol.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? Why would operating a MVNO lower their market cap?

Apple has a 3 trillion market cap with a 1/100th of the products that Google makes. Why would they want to follow a strategy that is evidently worse? Lol.

Huh? Just offering a cell phone plan doesn't mean that Apple becomes Google overnight?

I would love to see a first party Apple cell plan. It'd be better if they owned the whole network, but a MVNO would be better than nothing.

That doesn't mean Apple has to copy Google in any other ways.

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