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Ask HN: Former employees' RSUs at risk after startup's IPO

#1
Hi HN,

A group of us, former employees of a startup that recently went public on Nasdaq, are seeking advice on how to navigate an unexpected RSU settlement process. We would appreciate insights from those with experience in equity compensation, tax law, or corporate governance.

* The Situation

We worked at a startup for several years and were granted Restricted Stock Units (RSUs). These fully vested upon the company’s IPO in 2024, but the company has set the settlement date as March 15, 2025 (185 days post-IPO, However, we are not allowed to sell the shares until April, if we were to receive them). This means we will only receive the shares then, but there are some aspects of the process that we are unsure about.

* Key Questions We Have

1) Prepaying Taxes in Cash: We have been asked to wire a tax prepayment directly to the company’s bank account before receiving our shares.

Many of us were expecting a sell-to-cover approach (where some shares are withheld for taxes), which is common. We are wondering if this approach—requiring a direct tax prepayment—is standard practice.

2) Forfeiture Clause: The company has stated that if we do not prepay the taxes by March 15, 2025, the RSUs will be permanently forfeited.

We understand that companies have different ways of handling RSU settlements, but we are curious whether this type of forfeiture clause is common. Since RSUs are considered compensation, we would like to understand if there are alternative ways companies typically handle tax withholding.

3) Unclear Tax Calculation Guidance: We have been asked to calculate the withholding tax ourselves based on an estimated stock price.

However, we have not been provided official guidance on how to do this, which makes us concerned about potential errors. If we underpay, we need to send more money within one business day. If we overpay, we have to apply for a tax refund later. We’re wondering how companies typically help employees navigate tax prepayment for RSUs.

4) Difference Between Current and Former Employees:

We understand that current employees have access to a sell-to-cover option, while former employees are required to prepay in cash. We are curious if this type of distinction between current and former employees is typical for post-IPO RSU settlements.

* Seeking Advice from the Community

We are not looking to place blame—we understand that every company has its own way of structuring RSU settlements. However, since we were surprised by these requirements, we are hoping to learn from others who have experienced similar situations.

Some of the key things we would love advice on:

- Have you encountered an RSU settlement process like this before? - Are there alternative methods (e.g., net exercise, structured buyback) that could be proposed? - How do companies usually structure tax withholding for RSUs, particularly for former employees? - Are there legal or negotiation strategies that might be useful in discussing this with the company? - We are hoping to engage in a conversation with the company to explore potential solutions that work for everyone. We truly appreciate any insights from this community.

Thanks in advance!

Re: Ask HN: Former employees' RSUs at risk after startup's IPO

#4
@jameskuang correction: March 15, 2025 is 140 days from the IPO day. This is before the lockup periods ends and is used to determine the fair market value of the stock that taxes are calculated. If the stock drops dramatically between March 15th and the end of the lockup period, ex-employees could lose money (more cash tax is paid than the value the stock can be sold).

Re: Ask HN: Former employees' RSUs at risk after startup's IPO

#6
> We are curious if this type of distinction between current and former employees is typical for post-IPO RSU settlements.

I'm watching this thread, but just as a reminder that it benefits the company to be as vague and complicated as possible for ex-employees trying to exercise their equity rights. You and your equity are effectively dead weight to the company now and it's in their best interest to get you to forfeit as much as possible. The best time to cash in your equity is always when you are still an employee.

Re: Ask HN: Former employees' RSUs at risk after startup's IPO

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post #6

> We are curious if this type of distinction between current and former employees is typical for post-IPO RSU settlements. I'm watching this thread, but just as a reminder that it benefits the company to be as vague and complicated as possible for ex-employees trying to exercise their equity rights. You and your equity are effectively dead weight to the company now and it's in their best interest to get you to forfei…

Yet another reason working for most startups is a scam

Re: Ask HN: Former employees' RSUs at risk after startup's IPO

#8
Went through the Twilio IPO, I can give feedback based on my experience. IANAL and all that.

1. I've never heard of that from a tech company IPO. Twilio did sell-to-cover fwiw.

2. Does your RSU contract/letter say something about that? I'd maybe check with a lawyer and see if they can even do that. I would have imagined that in this scenario, the company gives you the RSUs and leaves you to figure out paying the IRS yourself.

3. That sounds absurd, I never had to do that. Tech companies that reach IPO typically have an HR department that handles all this for you, but I mean yours clearly doesn't I guess. I don't know what, if any, obligation employers actually have legally in this regard. Again, I'd check with a lawyer.

4. Hmm, I was a current employee during my IPO experience, so don't know how former employees were handled. I'm guessing though that they were also given sell-to-cover option. I'm pretty sure the stock broker the company used (I think it was ETrade) just handled all that for the company, including showing us how much was sold to cover as things vested, and locking current employees during quiet periods.

Good luck, hope that helps a bit in terms of at least validating your sanity that this probably isn't normal.

Re: Ask HN: Former employees' RSUs at risk after startup's IPO

#9
Most RSUs have a time and liquidity vesting. The latter triggers on IPO. If your company didn’t follow that convention, they went out of their way to screw you [1]. (RSUs are generally a worse deal than IPOs. They’re a great deal for companies, which is why Andreessen et al push them.)

> current employees have access to a sell-to-cover option, while former employees are required to prepay in cash

This is common. Cashless sales are a benefit. We strictly regulate who can and cannot be provided employee benefits in America. Your former employer would risk extending a securities-based loan to you. It can be done. Your former employer decided not to extend the privilege.

[1] Find the IPO pitch materials and see if the bankers pitch anti-dilution post IPO.

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