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Ask HN: 36 months of unemployment and depression. How to go back?

#1
Hi. I was fired around 36 months ago from my beloved job. I always made the maximum possible evaluations, and I was pooe but highly motivated programmer.

Due to the stress I'm afraid to seek the job as a python backend developer, as I truly believe that I lack modern skills and previous employment was too focused on telecom things.

What skills should I learn? Should I learn and then apply or apply anyway? Each failed interview is like 6 months of doing nothing... How to escape this vicious loop?

I'm a below average programmer with around 7yr of experience.

Re: Ask HN: 36 months of unemployment and depression. How to go back?

#3
I'm sure you've heard AI is taking off. I can't help you bridge what I'm perceiving as lack of confidence. But if you know python + telecom, that's a valuable skillset at a few enterprise-facing AI companies. Think Twilio, Gong, Callminer, Dialpad, etc. They tend to have smart, motivated developers who get stuck debugging essentially modern wrappers on top of legacy telecom systems, and no idea what's going on underneath. That's just an idea off top of my head - where maybe you could help out.

Re: Ask HN: 36 months of unemployment and depression. How to go back?

#4
Believe in me, I've been in your shoes before, it seems like an endless problem! But the cure starts with the basics that we often neglect:

1) Go out for some exercise (45min of moderate walking)

2) Get some sunlight

3) Check your Vitamin D levels

4) Drink about 2 liters of water

5) Eat healthily

6) After all this, start thinking about your employability again

Never forget that when one opportunity closes, others open up. The following metaphor might seem like quackery, but "instead of focusing on a sick tree, look at the entire forest around it"

Re: Ask HN: 36 months of unemployment and depression. How to go back?

#5
Recipe for getting noticed:

1. Design and Build a project. Add it to Github, and commit to the main branch as you go. This makes it open source.

2. Once done (or while you build it), make a web portfolio which includes a description page and even demo of your project

Recipe for improving skills:

- study video tutorials (and code along) via udemy.com

- roadmap.sh for ideas

- libgen.is for free books

- chat rooms like IRC, Discord, Slack (google "discord channel for " -- substitute Discord for IRC and see those options)

I didnt have a CS degree. I taught myself full stack dev skills, then built something, then published a website about it. I used it to land my first 100% programmer job.

Also, prior to that 100% programmer job, I was a "business analyst" which involved some scripting. To get that role, I had to move states-- from the South over to California (San Jose area). I literally camped out for a month, then rented a room for a month-- until I landed my first job, then started renting a studio-- about 2 months in to my stay.

It's not necessarily the easiest path, but it's doable for some, depending on various factors.

Re: Ask HN: 36 months of unemployment and depression. How to go back?

#6
I'm not sure what you base your belief you lack skills on, but if you were working at a telecom, I imagine you have skills. Never reject yourself from a job because of your own thoughts - apply and let the company decide if they need the skills they see in you. That said, this is a tough time to be looking, so you might have to be patient. I would also consider talking to a professional about your worries.

I also heard this saying recently that I like, not sure who said it originally:

“If you are depressed you are living in the past. If you are anxious you are living in the future. If you are at peace you are living in the present.”

Re: Ask HN: 36 months of unemployment and depression. How to go back?

#7

Believe in me, I've been in your shoes before, it seems like an endless problem! But the cure starts with the basics that we often neglect: 1) Go out for some exercise (45min of moderate walking) 2) Get some sunlight 3) Check your Vitamin D levels 4) Drink about 2 liters of water 5) Eat healthily 6) After all this, start thinking about your employability again Never forget that when one opportunity closes, others ope…

Meditation can be helpful too. 15 minutes a day. Find some guided ones on youtube that you like.

Re: Ask HN: 36 months of unemployment and depression. How to go back?

#8
I'd do technical writing. Maybe instead of aiming for FT, aim for a few bits of contract work. Then use those to burnish your portfolio (or start one.)

Advantages of technical writing:

1. You get to spend your time playing with things, asking questions, talking to engineers, and, therefore, learning.

2. Depending on what you're writing, you may get to do some coding along the way.

3. You make a valuable, urgently-needed contribution to the world, for even when they can write, most engineers don't write, and the result is that most workplaces are saturated with so-called 'tribal knowledge.' Not only does this waste an engineer's time (explaining and re-explaining how a thing works,) but it also means that people who fail to ask for or receive help never learn how a thing works. This has all sorts of knock-on effects, monocultures and ingroup/outgroup dynamics among them. Yet you can write this fate away, if you can find an employer who recognizes the importance of documentation.

4. Which is not to say you'll be recognized or celebrated. Writing, these days, is a humble pursuit. But the impact you have will be significant, even if no one traces it back to you, and that can be be its own satisfaction (and also, résumé talking point.) And helping change the world for the better -- even just a tiny part of it -- can greatly improve mental health.

5. Once you get in the swing of writing, apply it to your stress/depression/anxiety (or however you want to characterize it -- that feeling.) Keep a journal. I know this feels like being given a teaspoon and told to excavate a cavern --- your mental health struggle sounds like it has its roots in life challenges that are genuinely stressful, rather than the putative 'chemical imbalance' sort of anxiety/depression. And a pen is no magic wand -- it cannot erase your debts, or restore your sense of ease.

But it can open up a bit of wiggle room. A space to turn the thoughts around.

I also recommend long walks and cooking.

6. When you're feeling a bit better, start applying to more jobs. You can do it. Signed,

A currently un-depressed ("pressed?"), non-anxious ("enxious?"), and happily-employed engineer, who was not that way 12 months ago.

P.S. talk to a therapist. IANAT, IANAD.

P.P.S. if you're not already on them, and your doctor thinks it's ok, take antidepressants. They are symptom relief, but again, you're looking for wiggle room.

Re: Ask HN: 36 months of unemployment and depression. How to go back?

#10

Believe in me, I've been in your shoes before, it seems like an endless problem! But the cure starts with the basics that we often neglect: 1) Go out for some exercise (45min of moderate walking) 2) Get some sunlight 3) Check your Vitamin D levels 4) Drink about 2 liters of water 5) Eat healthily 6) After all this, start thinking about your employability again Never forget that when one opportunity closes, others ope…

100% on this. Prioritize you health and you will see some huge changes. Plus, if it helps, try to see the "numbers" behind your situation, remove any abstract thoughts and try to find a logical approach
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