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Ask HN: Easiest and cheapest full-stack frameworks that you love?

#1
Lately I've been interested in the idea of overnight startup. Well, not quite literally but the idea is to make projects in just days instead of months.

I've been looking at multiple BaaS solutions like firebase, supabase, appwrite, pocketbase and UI frameworks like svelte, next.js, solid.js and more.

I wonder what could be the best option? Something that is cheap to host (preferably free initially) and super easy to manage (like pocketbase having a GUI for creating RDBMS).

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#3
If you're genuine about your goal (re-examine your own feelings, it's easy to deceive oneself!), your question is going in the wrong direction.

The framework doesn't matter.

If you want to release a startup quickly, just do the minimum amount of work to test the hypothesis you have about your user. Most of the time that will not involve programming. It could be as simple as setting up a Gform or calling a few friends and talking to them about their problems.

If it turns out you do need to code, take whatever tool you already know that gets the job done. Crucially, "gets the job done" means: focus only on what you know you already need. Do not plan ahead. Don't think about scalability. You can always re-write if your idea is actually good (which it almost never is).

Do things that don't scale.

However, if you find your motivation is not so much about starting a startup, but more about learning a new framework, just pick the one that's most interesting to you.

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#4

If you're genuine about your goal (re-examine your own feelings, it's easy to deceive oneself!), your question is going in the wrong direction. The framework doesn't matter. If you want to release a startup quickly, just do the minimum amount of work to test the hypothesis you have about your user. Most of the time that will not involve programming. It could be as simple as setting up a Gform or calling a few friends…

> The framework doesn't matter.

If we're talking about ease of use, doesn't that matter? For example, I could write things in React or use a templating engine or even regular HTML/JS. All 3 options have different ease of use and require certain boilerplate to get things done in the same time. For example, you could use Webflow to create a landing page that would probably take you twice the time if you were to do that in React using regular CSS.

You could also use Pocketbase's GUI to quickly setup your DB instead of using Prisma to write relations and migrations and handling all the stuff you wouldn't need to on Pocketbase.

So I'm kinda confused about 'framework doesn't matter'. In a sense, it doesn't when I'm talking about using it to build something (I know I can pretty much build anything with them) but when talking about the actual time and work involved, some frameworks might provide some time saving processes others don't.

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#7
post #5

It’s 2023 and I still think nothing beats Rails (even with all its flaws).

This!

Use one of the many admin panels that directly build on your data structure. Administrate, RailsAdmin, ... As well as devise for Auth, Postgres as scalable cheap DB, and so on.

I am not sure if any other framework can make a single person or small team this productive (when it comes to CRUD like operations)

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#10
https://www.meteor.com/ If you’re fine with MongoDB in the backend. Then you get a lot of speed in development and same language in backend and frontend. Plus view live updates on all connected clients as data changes in backend. And hot Code push to clients if new build on server available. I loved it when doing https://www.4minitz.com/ (retired FOSS)
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