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Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#1
In the pre-Internet era, when you were curious about tech X, you'd walk to a store, skim through a bunch of books, pick the one you liked the most, and take it home. The whole process of searching took less than an hour, and then you were committed, because back at home, it was the only material about X you had physically available. If something wasn't mentioned in the book, you couldn't Google it, tough luck. And reading that book was genuinely exciting, because with TV and offline games being the only alternatives, it was your strongest source of dopamine. You'd be picking it up instinctly, just like today you pick up a smartphone, because it was the most mysterious thing to explore within your reach.

These days, you type X into Google, and you get hit with an avalanche of tutorials, ebooks, video series, paid courses, online lectures, all available constantly and immediately. Then you fall into the rabbit hole of ratings, reviews, comments, forum discussions, opinions, endless comparisons of X vs Y vs Z, and so on, and so on. Right from the beginning you get analysis paralysis, FOMO, and anxiety. When you finally pick something up, the amount of material about any given topic, unconstrained by the volume of paper, seems impossible to get through in a single lifetime. Instead of peacefully exploring, it feels like you have to force-feed yourself just to get to the end of it. All of that while trying to ignore that video in your recommendations about the latest breaking news, or the other one promising to teach you quantum physics in 15 minutes.

Does anyone else feel like this?

Btw. you could say, just turn off the Internet and buy a book, but can you really pretend it doesn't exist? And how long can you stick to it?

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#2
The firehose aspect of Google makes it hard for me to separate the wheat from the chaff for any "popular" topic. Ad's, trolls, ... They're ordered by the magic, not by the correctness or usefulness.

When I went into the bookstore looking for an Algorithm book, I went to the computer section. I didn't start at the first rack of books and scan until I found what I wanted. Nor did I look at the best-seller list.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#3
>Does anyone else feel like this?

I have, and I called it "info gorging", and I would occasionally indulge in it. But the problem is that you don't fully integrate what you've seen with what you know or believe. At best, you've accumulated a set of superficial ideas to be fleshed out later. At worst, you've given yourself a feeling of preemptive failure, looking at all the things you could do, and yet not doing them.

>Btw. you could say, just turn off the Internet and buy a book, but can you really pretend it doesn't exist? And how long can you stick to it?

Old fashioned discipline starts in the mind. You must be ruthless with yourself, and make a determination: I'm reading this book, and if I'm not doing that, then I'm staring into space. There is no third option, no fidget spinner, no screen, not even useful distractions like cleaning. If you accept your wayward thoughts, but not indulge them, they will pass.

In many ways, information is like fast food in that it can overstimulate you, yet leave you wanting more. There is no other way out of this cycle than to acknowledge this condition and cut yourself off. You need strong faith in yourself and in the wisdom of the path you've chosen.

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#6
I like the plethora of information available because it shows many different takes on each tech you might want to pick up. But I do understand that it can be a bit much. I tend to cope with that by starting at the documentation for the tech and look for any 'Getting Started' materials that come directly from the group responsible for the tech. I'll get the basics down there, then branch out to the rest of the online info when I hit roadblocks on the learning curve.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#7
I read Future Shock by Alvin Toffler for the first time a couple of years ago, on its 50th anniversary. It's an interesting read on a number of points, both in documenting the history of information overload, but also in laying out predictions for what the future might hold. As with most sets of predictions, some are more accurate than other, though the patterns there are themselves interesting.

Ultimately, time is finite, attention is rivalrous, and information is not infinitely actionable. It also varies tremendously in quality, and different filter and incentive systems modulate that quality strongly. (This last fact itself is part of the pattern of hits and misses in Toffler's list of predictions.)

I've started to note that the DOI is the new URL. With all the issues of academic publishing, there's still generally a higher signal:noise ratio in that than in general Web content. Likewise books and other forms of traditional, gate-kept publishing. Much of the better online content itself is itself extracts or adaptations of such material.

What you note about physical places and being committed to your mission when that involves actually going to a place and being in the moment is valid, and is hard to replicate online --- networks obviate space, and records obviate time. But you can at least be cognizant of that and try to recreate the experience in some manner.

The Getting Things Done model of time-boxing, defining core tasks and objectives, and recognising that you can only achieve a very finite set of tasks in a day is useful.

There's feature of a newly-developed browser, Einkbro, that I've come to hugely appreciate: save page as ePub.

Unlike "print to PDF", Einkbro lets you save multiple articles as "chapters" of a single book. That book might be a day's reading, or a compilation on a specific topic. It recreates the affordances of a bundled publication as with a print newspaper or magazine, in which a single issue has a finite collection of articles which can be read, and when you're done, discarded. The Endless Scroll model of the Internet doesn't offer this. Compile your ePub, read it, highlight and/or take notes using your ePub reader. And when you're done, discard without regret.

(Other tools, such as Tree Style Tabs on Firefox, at least allow grouping of articles related to a given task.)

The first rule of research is to define your goal or objective:

- What are you trying to learn?

- What is a sufficient level of depth?

- What measures or indicators of quality are you looking for?

One of the tricks of literature research is to try to go directly to canonical sources. This is usually:

- Original books or articles on a topic.

- Textbooks or assigned reading from uni courses. Looking for course syllabi is tremendously useful.

- State of the art rarely proceeds especially rapidly, and even in the information technology / comp sci arena, landmark texts can be years or decades old. Present churn is most often self-promotion and product advertising rather than useful information. Another challenge is that many businesses treat support and documentation as monetisation flows (Red Hat, Oracle, ...), and choke off useful information. My take-away is to avoid their offerings entirely.

- Otherwise, official documentation is almost always preferable to alternatives, though there are exceptions with specific independent high-quality publishers. E.g., O'Reilly technical books of old (pre-2010), etc.

- Most technical knowledge tends to be far more modular and accumulative than is generally recognised. A 20- or even 40-year old Unix or C reference, plus a few specific updates on particular new developments, can remain surprisingly useful (Kernighan & Pike, The UNIX Programming Environment, Nemeth, Frisch). You do have to keep an eye out for dated information however. Even modern machine learning techniques largely date from the 1980s --- hardware made previous theory viable.

- If you do find yourself reading recent publications / web references, look to see what sources they cite. Those will most likely be the true canonical sources, most especially if several references point to the same sources.

- Beware information vs. mythology. Claims or recommendations made on the basis of tradition or present fads are not true information, and should be heavily discounted. This is a case in which more-recent (though not necessarily current) responses to canonical / original works may be of higher value.

References such as Mortimer Adler's How to Read a Book and several variants on how to read a scientific article can also be useful for both identifying useful sources and most effectively extracting useful information from them.

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#8
I feel you 100%! This is the topic we discuss with friends on a nearly daily basis.

We loved the whole idea how we had limited resources and we were forced to read the {man | info} pages, at least in a UNIX-like environment, and of course visit university or public libraries to use them as our source of valuable information...plus we would use it as an excuse to meet with other like-minded people.

Now we feel completely disconnected and detached from each other, hiding behind emojis and smiley faces.

It's a sad SAD world we are currently living in and the majority of people I personally know are looking for an escape plan to give up technology as a whole, (well as much as possible) so we can retain some form of attachment to our previous way of life that felt more humane.

Enough is enough for me...

Re: Ask HN: Do you feel overwhelmed by the amount of information?

#10

I feel the opposite actually. I’m super hungry for information provided in good faith, but there’s an overwhelming amount of copypaste crowding it all out.

Exactly. I'm hungry for information and much of what I find is non information poorly researched and placed in SEO friendly listicles posing as information.

The challenge is sorting through that to find real information.

Sometimes I secretly wish the entire internet would burn to the ground and we'd get to start over clean. (Of course then I'd be out a job so I don't really wish that, but the thought has crossed my mind).

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