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Ask HN: Why was it hard to criticize Freedom Fries hysteria while it lasted?

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This question is, of course, related to Russia's invasion and the various reactions in so called Western countries.

Recently, the main dairy company of Sweden cancelled Kefir (Russian Yoghurt), with a political explanation that the logo looks similar to the famous church near the Red Square. And there's been a lot of these things lately. When I've talked to friends and acquaintances about it, we can agree that it's a ridiculous thing that doesn't change anything. Yet, in PR, media, and other popularity-based professions, there seems to be a very different arrangement of perspectives and emotions.

In my opinion, this is an era where more people should be exposed to Chomsky's "Manufacturing Consent" and similar perspectives, but all we get is some sort of synthetic flock mentality.

I was too young to notice all the details in people's behaviour in the post-2001 political climate (and I've never been to the US). Anyone with some interesting perspectives who remembers?

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My recollection is that a lot more noise was made about 'Freedom fries' in political circles, while most people thought it was ridiculous and ignored it, and went on ordering their French Fries.

One of my oldest remaining memories is telling my mom how dumb I thought it was when I was 8 years old.

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#5
The United States were not the aggressors but the victims (putting it simplistically), much like Ukraine is. In the moment, Americans wanted allies to help them hunt down terrorists who committed, supported and/or funded 9/11. France was not the most willing ally and thus Americans, for better or for worse, became somewhat anti-French. The "Freedom Fries" craze was in-name-only though; it's not like McDs or Burger King literally renamed or stopped serving fries.

> "In a 2005 opinion poll by Gallup, participants were asked if they felt the renaming of French fries and toast was "a silly idea or a sincere expression of patriotism;" 66% answered it was silly, 33% answered it was patriotic, and 1% had no opinion."

Re: Ask HN: Why was it hard to criticize Freedom Fries hysteria while it lasted?

#6
It was criticized. Jokes on late night TV, opinion columns, water cooler. If Twitter was a thing back then, it would have been memed hard.

I think you answered your own question. If it’s a fairly meaningless protest, why should the counterprotest be meaningful at all?

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post #3

Was it hard? People certainly did make fun of it.

The name was changed even though it was a crazy thing for many people. I assume that a new type of political correctness emerged in at least some places, that prevented people from saying "Hey, this sucks, it's ridiculous".

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#8
I was in high school in the US at the time. I encountered plenty of irrationality and rationality, pro-war and anti-war, but never encountered or even heard of anybody who had a negative reaction to criticism of the concept of "freedom fries". It was nigh universally mocked in my circle and my extended circle and all media I saw.

Edit: Not to imply support for it didn't exist - plainly it did. This was just my experience on the East coast. However, earnest public support for it seemed so rare, it honestly was almost like even the people who proposed it understood it was kind of more something funny/irreverent, rather than a serious protest. I'm not sure how valid that interpretation is.

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The United States were not the aggressors but the victims (putting it simplistically), much like Ukraine is. In the moment, Americans wanted allies to help them hunt down terrorists who committed, supported and/or funded 9/11. France was not the most willing ally and thus Americans, for better or for worse, became somewhat anti-French. The "Freedom Fries" craze was in-name-only though; it's not like McDs or Burger Ki…

> Americans wanted allies to help them hunt down terrorists who committed, supported and/or funded 9/11. France was not the most willing ally

France was fine with sending their troops to Afghanistan.

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