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Ask HN: How to split equity

#1
I'm working on a startup in its early stages. So far its been me, and another guy for a bit now. I may have found a third co-founder to join, and she just asked about equity.

A bit how the work is split right now.

Myself, I am the technical cofounder. I will be doing the design, the programming, and hosting etc. The idea for the site was also mine.

Person B is handling the business related inquiries, as well as the things related to marketing etc. He also knows way more about the process to get funding. His importance probably will be greater in the future.

Person C if she decides to join will be our domain expert. She would be playing a huge role in our success. In terms of helping us get the initial content, and being a liaison with the domains community. Her opinions also will matter a lot to the directions we take.

I just handed this task to Person B, but I would like to get an idea of what you think I should expect.

Re: Ask HN: How to split equity

#4
Given that you had the initial idea AND you're doing the coding and design, I'd say you should probably get additional equity. (How many successful startups had 100% hacker founders? A lot. How many had 0% hacker founders? Very few.)

Of course, this is based on my entirely limited knowledge of the rest of the situation. There are many other relevant questions to ask. Take a look at some previous threads on this same topic: http://searchyc.com/equity

I will say, try to get equity taken care of up front, before you bring people on. It will prevent conflicts of a magnitude you would never expect.

Re: Ask HN: How to split equity

#6
It seems to me that you are the most important person in this company (because you do most of the work right now, and because of your comment that "PersonB's importance will probably be greater in the future" and "I just handed this task to person B"). If you're handing tasks to people, you're the boss.

1/3 each does NOT seem fair.

To be honest, I don't understand why you are getting person B involved at all, give them equity and treat them as a co-founder if they don't have much work to do right now (as you seem to suggest). From your description, quite honestly, it seems like you might as well have hired an intern or gotten an accountant instead of giving this person a large part of your company. "Knowing a lot about funding" is NOT a reason to make someone a cofounder.

That's my 0.02c, sorry if that sounds harsh. I just don't want another post in 12 months about how to split up with my cofounders who aren't pulling their weight.

Person C is coming in later, so should get significantly less equity.

From what I'm hearing, I would not have personB involved with the expectation that at some point in the future they'll start pulling their weight. If that is the thinking, then wait until you really, really need them, and then get them involved (for a lot less equity). Person C sounds important, so make them your second cofounder.

Not knowing about the details, from all your comments it sounds like personB is not doing much. YOU found another cofounder. YOU are telling personB what to do. YOU also expect personB to start pulling their weight in the future. All this points to letting them go NOW, and asking him back later when there's a need for his expertise. One more thing: having a business co-founder who isn't doing much right now but "knows a lot about funding" may well hurt your chances to get funding instead of improving them.

Get things right at the beginning. Don't get a business co-founder just because you think you need one.

Of course, I may be wrong and there may be a lot of work for personB right now that I'm not aware of :)

Re: Ask HN: How to split equity

#8
Reality check... you just gave B the job of deciding how much equity he should have while you're busy doing the actual work of starting the company. That's like paying someone to pick your pocket.

If you don't know how much these people are worth, it is probably because they aren't doing work that is of any tangible value to the company yet. Sure... they'll be invaluable to the company in the future. Everyone is. But do yourself a favor and get them to articulate exactly what it is that they will do and tie a value to THOSE milestones. Then link their vesting to hitting those clearly-defined milestones. And make sure those milestones push the business forward and don't include random stuff like "define equity split".

Re: Ask HN: How to split equity

#9

Reality check... you just gave B the job of deciding how much equity he should have while you're busy doing the actual work of starting the company. That's like paying someone to pick your pocket. If you don't know how much these people are worth, it is probably because they aren't doing work that is of any tangible value to the company yet. Sure... they'll be invaluable to the company in the future. Everyone is. But…

Don't give people equity if they don't have work to do RIGHT NOW that you ABSOLUTELY need them for. If not, wait. Every day you wait means their risk goes down and they will get less equity. Do NOT give people a part of your company because you think you'll need them "later" and because you think they'll pull their weight "later".

Re: Ask HN: How to split equity

#10

There's no magic formula here: the objective is to estimate the contribution each of you will have to the success of the company over the next stretch of time. Is there any immediately compelling reason why 1/3rd each isn't fair?

Because person B hasn't done much yet, and because person C is joining later than the original founder(s).
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