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Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#1

I have been looking to change jobs over the last 8 months. I am in a product management leadership position at my current job, and looking to shift to a similar role in either a slightly smaller company or in a different industry. However, I have found it extremely hard to accomplish this. I have no idea why I am failing in final rounds, but in most instances the feedback has been "You are a great candidate, and we would like you to interview with this other role. But this particular role is not a good fit"

What am I doing wrong ? Few facts about me" - I have over 12 years of work experience across 4 companies (well known brands) - I am in my mid 30s - I am Indian, and FOB, with an accent (not a heavy accent though)

I have run completely out of ideas now. I have probably spoken with 100 people during the course of 15 interviews and I haven't gotten any feedback on what I am doing wrong. I absolutely HATE my current job. I get depressed thinking about working in my current job for the foreseeable future. But looks like I don't have any recourse. I am almost thinking of halting my job search and finding some kind of hobby to keep me occupied and keep my mind off work. Any advice would be appreciated.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#3
If you're not a good a fit then, you're not a good fit!

I will say, in my experience, a companies interpretation of what a Product Manager sometimes varies like British weather.. It can feel like a Product Manager is something new, but they've existed in their traditional capacity for AT LEAST 25 years (using a friend of mine as an example).

But recently I've seen a trend for Product Manager job descriptions to vary more.. Sometimes being so vague as to describe some sort of wistful 'jack-of-all-trades turd-polisher'.

Perhaps it's as simple as that. You're applying as an experienced Product Manager to businesses that don't understand the role as a veteran like you does.

You also describe yourself as a Product Manager 'leader'. So you manage other Product Managers? I would think that 'smaller companies' have very few or even one Product Manager, and maybe you're seen as overqualified for this?

Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#4
I was having trouble getting an offer about 10 years ago. I finally just picked a second geographic area, and eventually was able to find a job there. I'll never know for sure, but it's possible that the market in the Bay Area was just over-saturated with good candidates at the time of my job search. So don't get discouraged; it's not that you're not a great candidate. It could be that there's just not enough good jobs.

Also, do you not want to interview for that other role they're offering you? If so, that's fine -- but then feel good about the fact that you're the one making that choice.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#5
How are you interviewing? Have you tapped into your network? Do you have past co-worker friends who have left and found jobs elsewhere?

Most companies value referrals much higher than unknown applicants. If you have a friend who can vouch for your work ethic and can give you straight forward feedback, that will be the best route. You'll iterate much quicker. Also friends may give you insight on the inside of their companies about how decision-making is going. Once you have sizable work experience and sizable network, you shouldn't be doing the shotgun approach. In my very first job I reached out to a 3rd party recruiter and they helped me get a job in 2 weeks from me doing it on my own for 2 months (not a software dev). After that, my jobs have all been referral based.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#8
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I've noticed a definite increase in companies doing bait and switches. They list higher level positions to attract good people and then try to offer them lower level positions. That's been my experience.

We don't do this but it might appear that way to a candidate. We're hiring people of all levels and if someone comes in who we feel we like but at a lower level we'll offer them that level instead.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#9
It's hard to be helpful here without specifics. What sorts of jobs are you applying for at which companies? What industry are you in? What are the brands you've worked at before? What industry switch are you hoping to make? Do they get to a background check stage or no? 7 offsites to 0 offers is a pretty steep drop off but if, for example, you were only interviewing for VP of Product at series A startups in the Bay Area backed by Sequoia and Benchmark, then that's not unexpected.

Re: Ask HN: 50 job applications, 15 interviews, 7 onsites, and no offer – what next?

#10
I'm sorry that you're going through this.

You mentioned that the feedback you've received has always suggested that you're a great candidate, but they see you in a different role. What kind of role is it? And, is it possible that that role really may be a better fit for you?

If so, you have a choice. Either change careers or try to take corrective action and become a better fit for a PM gig.

Good luck and again, I'm very sorry. Feel free to email me - my address is in my profile.

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