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Ask HN: If one works over 40hrs/week, can they claim more years of experience?

#1
If someone were regularly overworked, averaging say 60 hours per week, would it be reasonable to claim 1.5x "years of experience" with a given technology during that period?

Say if someone often worked 70-90 hours per week and worked on holidays and didn't take vacation for 5 years. How could somehow reflect that experience on a résumé? Would it be fair to at least claim 7 years experience for that time?

Thanks

Re: Ask HN: If one works over 40hrs/week, can they claim more years of experience?

#3
Are you saying you drove your car really 3 years instead of 5 because you haven't used it every day? Or your marriage is 25 years instead of 20 because it was so intense? Will working three part time jobs triple the number of years?

The years of experience are actual years, no subtractions, no adding. It's just a guidance and says nothing about actual technology experience.

A person who claims to work 70-90h per week without vacation for 5 years might attract some companies. Others will say the person has no private life and might burn out soon. Those extra hours work short-term, but long-term they aren't a batch of honor.

Re: Ask HN: If one works over 40hrs/week, can they claim more years of experience?

#4
No.

Work isn't linear. Overwork often leads to less productive work, so working (say) 100 hour weeks for a year might be less of a learning experience than working 40 hours weeks for two years.

Part of experience is in knowing how things evolve. Best practices change. If you only have 2 years of clock time experience but claim 4 years of "real" experience due to working 80 hour weeks, then that doesn't mean you know to handle the changes from 3 years ago when Framework 2.4 became Framework 3.0.

You also don't have a baseline. A lot of people regularly overwork.

Finally, if someone asks "when did your first use Framework" and you reply 2013 but your resume says you have 4 years of experience, then you will likely be called out for the discrepancy.

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#5
No and does it really matter? I find that interviewers are open to seeing candidates who don't have experience exactly in the range they are looking for as long as you can impress them with your knowledge. The ones who do are the places you probably shouldn't work anyway.

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post #4

No. Work isn't linear. Overwork often leads to less productive work, so working (say) 100 hour weeks for a year might be less of a learning experience than working 40 hours weeks for two years. Part of experience is in knowing how things evolve. Best practices change. If you only have 2 years of clock time experience but claim 4 years of "real" experience due to working 80 hour weeks, then that doesn't mean you know…

Ok, thanks. I was thinking more from the point of view that programming is a skill and skills develop with hours of practice.

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post #7
post #4

No. Work isn't linear. Overwork often leads to less productive work, so working (say) 100 hour weeks for a year might be less of a learning experience than working 40 hours weeks for two years. Part of experience is in knowing how things evolve. Best practices change. If you only have 2 years of clock time experience but claim 4 years of "real" experience due to working 80 hour weeks, then that doesn't mean you know…

Ok, thanks. I was thinking more from the point of view that programming is a skill and skills develop with hours of practice.

Skill development, in the model of K. Anders Ericsson, requires a certain type of deliberate practice, not simply "hours of practice." Moreover, he argues that it's only possible to spend a few hours a day at deliberate practice. The rest doesn't contribute to improved learning.

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> would it be reasonable to claim 1.5x "years of experience" with a given technology during that period

As a general aside, every time I see a resume with something along the lines of: "Java (2.5 years), C++ (5 years)", I cringe a little. Please don't do this. There is something about denoting the exact amount of time you have spent with a specific technology (which we can generally deduce from your work experience anyway) that, at least to me, broadcasts a lack of confidence in your own skills.

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> would it be reasonable to claim 1.5x "years of experience" with a given technology during that period As a general aside, every time I see a resume with something along the lines of: "Java (2.5 years), C++ (5 years)", I cringe a little. Please don't do this. There is something about denoting the exact amount of time you have spent with a specific technology (which we can generally deduce from your work experience a…

In my country HR specifically asks for 'x' years of experience with 'Y'.

I don't have it in my resume, I just spread the skills between an "Advanced" and "Proficient" subsection, but I've been asked at least once why I don't specify the number of years with each technology.

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