There's a lot of debate on this topic, and it's obviously a problem worth solving, but it seems the problem can't even be discussed without most people getting angry and throwing out ad hominem attacks.
Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
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Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#2This is kind of like asking, what is the root cause for young earth creationists beliefs and how do we end it?
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#3Hmmm. "Muslim..."
This is the same with all kind of violence most of it doesn't have a reason.
But in this case it has. In the case of terrorism it's a business. Their goal it's to stablish an image and get the people that might oppose them prefer to do not intervene. And the people they want submission be that submissive. With this they can exercise control. Impose authority, sell protection (for example) and control any kind of illicit activities.
It's the same with the drug cartels like "The knights of Sinaloa", the organized crime remember the "Cossa Nostra". The mongols to cite an old example.
Conquer by fear.
To end it, well that's another issue. You need to end their flux of money. Cut their recruitment systems. End the fear.
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#4This is kind of like asking, what is the root cause for young earth creationists beliefs and how do we end it?
Yeah I agree it is, how do you deal with that problem?
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#5Simple, U.S government leave oil exporter countries and do not f..k their brain with your "democracy". let them manage their own economy, issues, they are not stupid, they can handle and solve issues on their own. Do not lie to your people by saying you are defending from terror attack, thats just ridiculous, you are killing your own citizens and middle east citizens only to get richer.
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#6I'm no expert, but my basic understanding is that Islam is actually a peaceful and loving religion. So the violence commonly associated with Muslims is actually just a radical fringe, not the primary group.
So in that sense, there is no Muslim-violence problem any more than there is a Christian-violence problem, or a Hebrew-violence problem. So I don't think the solutions to this problem would be in any way specific to Islam. We, generally (the US included) have a serious mass-violence problem. We're all aware of the school shootings, and army base shootings, and theater shootings, and other kinds of violence domestically. I'm hoping that there is a solution to address all of these types of violence.
So far, the only thing I can think of is: better mental health care. But I'm sure there are many reasons that's not a real solution.
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#7When France and US killing lots of people, everyone uses words: defend, democracy. When someone from that countries are doing same everyone says: violence, attack, terror. I am not defending violence by ISIS, they are f..ked brains, but put yourself on their place and make decision, when your relatives, brothers and sisters are killed by US/France bombs, what would you do? (P.S. I am not from Middee East)
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#8The root cause of most Muslim violence is that most Muslims actually believe the claims that the Quran makes about reality.
Here is a sample of such quotes directly from the Quran:
"Believers, if you yield to the infidels they will drag you back to unbelief and you will return headlong to perdition. . . .We will put terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. . . . The Fire shall be their home" (3:149-51)
"Believers, do not follow the example of the infidels, who say of their brothers when they meet death abroad or in battle: ‘Had they stayed with us they would not have died, nor would they have been killed.' God will cause them to regret their words. . . . If you should die or be slain in the cause of God, God's forgiveness and His mercy would surely be better than all the riches they amass" (3:156).
"God will not forgive those who serve other gods besides Him; but He will forgive whom He will for other sins. He that serves other gods besides God is guilty of a heinous sin. . . . Consider those to whom a portion of the Scriptures was given. They believe in idols and false gods and say of the infidels: ‘These are better guided than the believers'" (4:50–51).
Yes there are also some quotes in the Quran that contradict these quotes (like all religious texts, it's highly contradictory), and some people may be animated by charismatic individuals who distort the text, but Muslims who commit violence in the name of Allah need not believe anything more than the specific claims that the Quran makes to rationalize their violent actions.
The solution to this problem is like asking, "What's the solution to someone who still believes in Santa Claus at the age of 30?"
If you encountered such a person, would you let them continue to believe in Santa Claus or would you empathetically attempt to communicate to that person that they need to deeply examine their beliefs and ensure they're based in reality, based on evidence that can be readily observed.
But when most atheists and agnostics encounter a Muslim (or a Christian, or a Jew, or any religious person), they simply roll their eyes and shrug it off because they don't "want to get into it with them."
I'm not saying you have to go around trying to prove everybody wrong all the time, that's a recipe for ensuring everyone hates you. But religious beliefs are dangerous and they are the direct cause of violence -- not just Muslims of course, the Crusades are an obvious example of Christianity being the direct cause of violence.
The solution is to be empathetic, but not apologetic about the fact that their religious beliefs are not rooted in reality, and all beliefs should be.
TL;DR -- When you encounter a religious person, be empathetic, but not apologetic when communicating that their beliefs are based on a made up story rather than rooted in reality (as all beliefs should be).
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#9I'm no expert, but my basic understanding is that Islam is actually a peaceful and loving religion. So the violence commonly associated with Muslims is actually just a radical fringe, not the primary group. So in that sense, there is no Muslim-violence problem any more than there is a Christian-violence problem, or a Hebrew-violence problem. So I don't think the solutions to this problem would be in any way specific…
I encourage you to read the actual text of the Quran, there are ample quotes that advocate violence against infidels and martyrdom, even if there are some quotes that contradict them.
Re: Ask HN: What is the root cause of Muslim violence and how do we end it?
#10When France and US killing lots of people, everyone uses words: defend, democracy. When someone from that countries are doing same everyone says: violence, attack, terror. I am not defending violence by ISIS, they are f..ked brains, but put yourself on their place and make decision, when your relatives, brothers and sisters are killed by US/France bombs, what would you do? (P.S. I am not from Middee East)
I think you're right, violence against Muslims does not cause Muslims to question their religious beliefs, it hardens them.