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Ask HN: I need legal advice

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I'm facing a felony charge third degree assault. I'm 23 year old black male.

In march I was with a white female late night 1am went to the store to buy alcohol but she ended up stealing 3 vodkas from a local grocery store and she ran out with the alcohols while the manager and the workers took picture of us and my car.

The store camera has pictures of her stealing alcohol. While we were leaving the store the store works ran at us and in panic I got scared and yelled I have a gun back up. 2 witness heard me say that. I didn't hurt anyone or take anything but I did say I had a gun even though I really didn't have a gun just trying to scare them away. The girl left town and never coming back but now I'm being charged with this felony. I was given a felony dismissal date to reduce it down to a charge of just a Assault 4 gross misdemeanor. Should I take it to trial or take the felony dismissal? I can't afford a good lawyer and my public defender is saying it's risky to go to trial even though no one got hurt and I didn't steal anything it's clearly in the pictures the manager took that the girl stole..

I also don't have a criminal record besides an assault charge back in 2007 when I was a juvi.

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So you were an accomplice to a robbery and you threatened deadly force? I'd take the plea. (IANAL)

Having a criminal record might not even get me a job. Gross misdemeanor and a felony both look bad on background checks at least trial I have a chance to beat it all.

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I'm not a lawyer, and nothing I write is legal advice.

> even though no one got hurt

It sounds like you committed multiple crimes, regardless of whether anyone got hurt. Where is there any room for you to argue against the charges?

Your public defender might not be an expensive "good" lawyer, but this is a clear-cut situation. Your options are to:

1) take advice from a bunch of random people on the internet

2) take a lawyer's advice

My suggestion is go with #2, no matter how "bad" that lawyer might be. S/he certainly has more experience (and knowledge of the situation) than pretty much anyone on HN. It's kinda weird that you ended up here to ask for advice at all...

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I'm not a lawyer, and nothing I write is legal advice. > even though no one got hurt It sounds like you committed multiple crimes, regardless of whether anyone got hurt. Where is there any room for you to argue against the charges? Your public defender might not be an expensive "good" lawyer, but this is a clear-cut situation. Your options are to: 1) take advice from a bunch of random people on the internet 2) take a…

bunch of smart people on here. Just basically asking what others would do if they were in my situation. Second opinion basically.

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post #2

So you were an accomplice to a robbery and you threatened deadly force? I'd take the plea. (IANAL)

Having a criminal record might not even get me a job. Gross misdemeanor and a felony both look bad on background checks at least trial I have a chance to beat it all.

>at least trial I have a chance to beat it all.

I am not a lawyer. But you are better off taking the deal if you can't afford a lawyer. You won't beat it going to trial.

Keep in mind 2 witnesses heard you say " stay back, I have a gun". What defense do you you have for that?

There are consequences for such actions even if there was not a gun present. If you think by going to trial, you are going to beat it you'd be surprised. So listen to your public defender or get a good lawyer.

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I'm not a lawyer, and nothing I write is legal advice. > even though no one got hurt It sounds like you committed multiple crimes, regardless of whether anyone got hurt. Where is there any room for you to argue against the charges? Your public defender might not be an expensive "good" lawyer, but this is a clear-cut situation. Your options are to: 1) take advice from a bunch of random people on the internet 2) take a…

bunch of smart people on here. Just basically asking what others would do if they were in my situation. Second opinion basically.

I promise you that "experienced" is more important than "smart". I hope everything works out for you long-term. It seems like the prosecutor is working with you to keep the charges to a minimum, and that's something to be grateful for. Whether or not we have a good legal system, you've certainly given it an excuse to come down on you like a ton of bricks.

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So you were an accomplice to a robbery and you threatened deadly force? I'd take the plea. (IANAL)

Having a criminal record might not even get me a job. Gross misdemeanor and a felony both look bad on background checks at least trial I have a chance to beat it all.

> Having a criminal record might not even get me a job.

Having a criminal record almost certainly won't get you a job.

That being said, different criminal records may differ significantly in how much they hurt the ability of your education and experience to get you a job.

> Gross misdemeanor and a felony both look bad on background checks at least trial I have a chance to beat it all.

Well, I'm not sure of the specific state or specific law the charges are under, and IANAL, but it sounds from your description like it is quite likely that there is fairly damning evidence for the prosecution and not a lot you have to offer against it. So, while in theory its possible for you to get a not-guilty verdict at trial -- juries can do pretty much anything -- it doesn't seem like its a great gamble. And while neither offense is going to look good on a criminal background check, presumably the felony all comes with greater potential incarceration time (and quite possibly imprisonment under worse conditions) and other disadvantages; that shouldn't be disregarded.

But, really, the legal advice you are getting from your public defender is probably vastly better than any you'll get here.

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IANAL, but a few things I would consider:

1. You have admitted you were present for the crime and that you yelled you had a deadly weapon. Even if you have denied making this statement up until this point, there is a good chance if this case goes to trial, the prosecutor will dig up the admission some way or some how, increasing your chances of conviction.

2. What do you gain by going to trial? You have admitted guilt so there is little chance the jury will say forget about it, let this guy go. Worse case they will sentence you to the fullest for the crime, but most likely you will get minimum based on the crime, which in your case sounds like a felony.

3. Personally I would take the plea deal. You are going from a felony to a misdemeanor. In many states it is a whole lot easier to expunge or seal a misdemeanor than a felony down the road. A misdemeanor also, in most cases, will allow you to keep all your rights.

4. If you can afford an attorney, hire an attorney. Most public defenders (PD) are overworked and underpaid, and unless your case has some reason to stand out the unfortunate fact is that it will be one in a pile on someone's desk. Not to underestimate a PD, but there may be other options that an attorney with more time to review the case could find. If you have no adult criminal record you may also be able to plead guilty but have adjudication withheld. Essentially this means you admit guilt, the judge will sentence you of the crime, but if you complete your sentence it will not be viewed as having a criminal conviction and you will not lose your rights.

5. If you are honestly concerned about your criminal record, do you know how to get a hold of the girl? You may try to work a deal where your charges are dropped, or reduced further, if you are able to get the girl to turn herself in or point the police to where she currently is. People may call you a rat or snitch, whatever. This isn't about what someone thinks of you. You are facing real penalties and the possibility of doing jail time. In the end it is your future and you have only yourself to look out for.

Again, not a lawyer, but I have walked in your shoes to some extent.

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IANAL, but a few things I would consider: 1. You have admitted you were present for the crime and that you yelled you had a deadly weapon. Even if you have denied making this statement up until this point, there is a good chance if this case goes to trial, the prosecutor will dig up the admission some way or some how, increasing your chances of conviction. 2. What do you gain by going to trial? You have admitted guil…

Thanks that was helpful, I don't have any Adult criminal convictions yet but I'm pending for a DUI case that I got a few months ago. But this felony case was back in march. so there both pending at the same time.

plus if the girl turns herself in how would that help me? I'm being charged with assault not her.

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