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Re: Ancient Library – 1,060 Greek/Latin texts, click any word to parse it

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Post by spudlyo »

0bit wrote: post #64
spudlyo wrote: post #20

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> LLMs have been an absolute game changer for me who is a hobby classicist but also knows how to build software. Definitely! I myself have been having a lot of fun[0] recently using LLMs to enrich one of my favorite beginner Latin readers[1] with audio forced-alignment, POS tagging, morphology, definitions, and other niceties that learners might appreciate. [0]: https://hercules.hookbangsplat.com [1]: https://archive…

Here's a companion website with similar features: https://latinlanguage.org/ for an upcoming book: https://www.amazon.com/Latin-Tamer-Mastering-Language-Rome/d...

Nice! I love all the Latin audio, although most of it is well above my level. I'm always pleased to hear well-pronounced Latin with elision and prodelision. Do you know how the audio is licensed? I'd love to have my own copy, and am trying to organize a CC-BY-SA archive of spoken word Latin.

Re: Ancient Library – 1,060 Greek/Latin texts, click any word to parse it

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Post by applicative »

gbjcantab wrote: post #80

This is a nice idea (prettier Perseus) but it really falls down on the substance, which is the morphological tagging. At least in what I read this morning (the beginning of book 13 of the Odyssey) it had no answer or was wrong on maybe 40% of what I checked? I’m sure the overall rate is much better than that but you’re only checking the hard words, usually. Perseus had them all right, for what it’s worth. So kind of…

It follows that their tagging AI didn’t also learn by … at least taking the Perseus judgment into account?

I assume the well marked ‘interlinear’ koinē NT texts online are coming from antecedent bible scholarship and the needs of eg ye olde Protestant bible colleges, and are nearly infallible (theological niceties aren’t likely to intrude! - but maybe I’m wrong)

But NT is included in the corpus above, so I wonder if one could conveniently automate a test of their high handedness. I can’t figure out how to recover their tags etc. Maybe I’m wrong about NT stuff online https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/1.htm

Re: Ancient Library – 1,060 Greek/Latin texts, click any word to parse it

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Post by mdnahas »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #69

I checked out the page on Caesar's The Gallic War and looked at its famous opening line "Gallia est omnis diuisa in partes tres , quarum unam incolunt Belgae , aliam Aquitani , tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae , nostra Galli appellantur". Apart from the UI around the word parsing pop-up being kind of buggy (it doesn't close readily, the scroll position seems to get saved differently depending on the word), I'm prett…

I host a parallel translation of the original book on Peano’s Axioms. If you have comments on either the Latin or English translation, they’d be very welcome!

(My 2 years of high school Latin from a Latin-Mass priest is helpful, but insufficient.)

https://github.com/mdnahas/Peano_Book/

Re: Ancient Library – 1,060 Greek/Latin texts, click any word to parse it

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Post by usern20260720 »

laichzeit0 wrote: post #71
usern20260720 wrote: post #43

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My favourite ancient greek font is Theano

I’m going to check that out. My personal favorite is the variant of New Athena Unicode they use in the Cultura Classica books (it’s like Lingua Latina per se Illustrata but for Attic). They made some modifications on some of the characters, noticeably sigma. I might get Claude to clone that font for me so I can use it in my projects.

it this font. Theano Modern. It has certain limitations so I had to use a more canonical one for Obsidian

https://ancientgreek.eu/audiobooks/epictetus-enchiridion.htm...

Re: Ancient Library – 1,060 Greek/Latin texts, click any word to parse it

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Post by retrac »

Jach wrote: post #76
JuniperMesos wrote: post #69

I checked out the page on Caesar's The Gallic War and looked at its famous opening line "Gallia est omnis diuisa in partes tres , quarum unam incolunt Belgae , aliam Aquitani , tertiam qui ipsorum lingua Celtae , nostra Galli appellantur". Apart from the UI around the word parsing pop-up being kind of buggy (it doesn't close readily, the scroll position seems to get saved differently depending on the word), I'm prett…

> the text as they present it doesn't seem to mark vowel length at all I think most Latin text out there won't use diacritics at all. I only studied it for 3 years back in high school leading to the AP exam and I don't think I was ever taught about them or saw them once. This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3bmLi1bKI0 and wiki page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apex_%28diacritic%29 were interesting. I'd bet pa…

You are correct: Latin vowel length is usually only indicated in educational material, dictionaries, etc.

> just a side-effect of teaching Latin as a dead language where you never speak it / pronunciation doesn't matter. I remember very little of the language, I believe also in part because of that.

You're not the only person to have had this insight. Modern pedagogy often emphasizes using ancient languages spoken aloud, conversationally. We read Latin aloud in class, and our textbook had Latin dialogues to act out in class. We used the reconstructed classical pronunciation. We were graded on our pronunciation. Mostly as a token though and our teacher allowed some leeway, because it is after all a dead language. (I found it hard to drop some of the church Latin "ch" for "k".)

With the exception of the Aeneid, all the epic poetry of antiquity was originally oral poetry later written down, and it is obviously meant to be read aloud. The Iliad, Odyssey, Gilgamesh, Mahabharata, the Chinese Classic of Poetry. All were meant to be read aloud in performance, and probably they were set to song.

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Post by 0bit »

spudlyo wrote: post #81
0bit wrote: post #64

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Here's a companion website with similar features: https://latinlanguage.org/ for an upcoming book: https://www.amazon.com/Latin-Tamer-Mastering-Language-Rome/d...

Nice! I love all the Latin audio, although most of it is well above my level. I'm always pleased to hear well-pronounced Latin with elision and prodelision. Do you know how the audio is licensed? I'd love to have my own copy, and am trying to organize a CC-BY-SA archive of spoken word Latin.

You could ask the author "wardfarnsworth at gmail.com". I have been in touch with him before about his chess website https://www.chesstactics.org based on his book "Predator at the Chess board". He was quite responsive.
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