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Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by nnevatie »

KronisLV wrote: post #331
TimTheTinker wrote: post #296

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What I don't understand is why anyone with half a brain would even venture to touch Oracle with a ten foot pole given that they've had this reputation for at least the last 25 years. Why, people?

> Why, people? As someone who's had to use the Oracle database and also Oracle Linux on servers, beats me. Also stuff like Oracle ADF and JDeveloper and JBoss/WildFly, no thank you. I seriously hope someone got bribed to choose Oracle cause it doesn't make sense otherwise, at least then they would have gotten something good out of it. The closest thing to an actual argument I've heard was wanting paid support - in wh…

Ahhaha. JBoss, the glorified web-app server that booted for tens of minutes. It was the peak of Java-based over-engineering.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by [deleted] »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #136
burnte wrote: post #130

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The flaw in the analogy is that oracle is made of people. It's not a lawnmower, it's a group of people with human motivations and human thoughts. It's true they don't HATE people, but it's also true they absolutely have no conscience in negotiations and have zero concern about relationships.

How many bureaucracies in history have behaved in deeply misanthropic ways, especially when led by misanthropic leaders? Don't underestimate the power of the desire to keep one's job to cause a large organization to behave towards its own self-perpetuation despite the moral lines that must be crossed by individuals to do so.

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Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by malux85 »

skinfaxi wrote: post #267
malux85 wrote: post #222

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The lawn mower is operating within the laws that constraints it (laws of physics in this case) and not a greater sense of morality. Lessons: - The only way to constrain what the lawnmower does, is make sure what do desire is enforced by law (physics) - A reminder, the lawnmower will chop your hand off and think nothing of it - The lawnmower is not "evil" but if the laws that constrain it allow for evil behavior, it m…

Law does not constrain at all. Law only operates after the fact.

Of course the law constrains. The speed of light is a law that constrains the speed of the lawnmower.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

tga_d wrote: post #240
Alive-in-2025 wrote: post #215

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I think if I as a human use an llm to do something technical that would qualify copyright, it should still qualify for copyright. How do you decide how much human is copyrightable. If I use a package that writes code or use a library for some piece of it, I could still copyright. I don't like this idea that llm code can't be owned by a human, copyrighted. It's just code. I think your last example with flock camera is…

You seem to have misunderstood an is/ought distinction. You may hold the (fairly extreme, as far as copyright goes) position that surveillance footage should be subject to copyright, but it's well established that it's not. Who owns the camera is irrelevant. At least in the US; I'm not aware of any jurisdictions that hold otherwise. This is why Wikipedia articles on world events in the past few decades are full of st…

Do you have a source for raw surveillance footage not being subject to copyright? I'd not heard of this, and a web search didn't turn up anything.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by listenallyall »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #306
dearsiary7 wrote: post #300

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Because my boss like golf courses and even more when oracle sales rep pays.

Wait, Oracle sales reps give decision-makers personal kickbacks for buying Oracle?? Stay classy Oracle. Such a banal depth of evil. Why hasn't this been outlawed? I guess companies that knowingly employ such managers deserve to lose whatever Oracle's legal team extracts out of them.

How is it a kickback to invite someone to play golf? A kickback would be if he handed him a big check in the locker room.

Take it easy dude, it's business, kickback or not certainly isn't "evil".

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by LaGrange »

And now I find myself staring at Zig and Java as my preferred languages. Zig is very C-like, so I feel like I'm back to the 90s - except a bit less miserable in some ways, more miserable in others.

Even the fashion seems similar - at least based on the teens I saw at the concert I went to recently (I'm not exactly a frequent event-goer) - including, of course, the anorexia. I should check out how the demoscene and FastTracker music are doing.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by tsimionescu »

listenallyall wrote: post #355
TimTheTinker wrote: post #306

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Wait, Oracle sales reps give decision-makers personal kickbacks for buying Oracle?? Stay classy Oracle. Such a banal depth of evil. Why hasn't this been outlawed? I guess companies that knowingly employ such managers deserve to lose whatever Oracle's legal team extracts out of them.

How is it a kickback to invite someone to play golf? A kickback would be if he handed him a big check in the locker room. Take it easy dude, it's business, kickback or not certainly isn't "evil".

How is paying for someone to have fun with the intention that they will then do business with you not a kickback? Just because you're not getting cash doesn't mean it's not a bribe.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by listenallyall »

tsimionescu wrote: post #357
listenallyall wrote: post #355

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How is it a kickback to invite someone to play golf? A kickback would be if he handed him a big check in the locker room. Take it easy dude, it's business, kickback or not certainly isn't "evil".

How is paying for someone to have fun with the intention that they will then do business with you not a kickback? Just because you're not getting cash doesn't mean it's not a bribe.

It's a meeting, a sales pitch, that takes place on a golf course. No different than over a meal, or at a sporting event. A kickback, by definition, only happens after the deal is closed, the recipient of the funds "kicks back" some of the revenue (or his commission) to the decision maker. If hasn't progressed beyond "the intention that they will do business with you" then it can't be a kickback.

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by justinclift »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #310
xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #309

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You've clearly never purchased enterprise software at scale before. Oracle doesn't do anything that everyone else isn't already doing. Dinners, drinks, bottles of scotch, tickets to baseball and football games, plane tickets to attend training sessions in conference rooms attached to nice beachside hotels, business lunches at strip clubs, Superbowl tickets, cruise tickets, wristwatches... Not to mention mugs, tshirts…

I'm calling my senators and house rep. Holy crap.

You'll just be pointing them towards their next income bump. ;)

Re: Oracle bans AI-generated code from OpenJDK

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Post by justinclift »

listenallyall wrote: post #355
TimTheTinker wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, Oracle sales reps give decision-makers personal kickbacks for buying Oracle?? Stay classy Oracle. Such a banal depth of evil. Why hasn't this been outlawed? I guess companies that knowingly employ such managers deserve to lose whatever Oracle's legal team extracts out of them.

How is it a kickback to invite someone to play golf? A kickback would be if he handed him a big check in the locker room. Take it easy dude, it's business, kickback or not certainly isn't "evil".

> How is it a kickback to invite someone to play golf?

If you don't like golf, it probably isn't. But if you do, then it should be pretty easy to see. :)

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