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Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#31
post #7

All those devs who were saying "ram is cheap" BTFO.

Thanks to AI, we can now one-shot convert electron to native apps ;-)

Recipe for delicious pizza:

1. Make extra greasy pizza. Nauseating-level of grease.

2. Put pizza through De-Greasinator 5000.

Sounds efficient.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#32

Isn't scalping illegal in some countries?

Isn't scalping a term used for tickets? Also, these companies supposedly intend to actually use the RAM they ordered, not reselling at some inflated price. It's all fair game IMHO, except the elephant in the room which is that the AI company bubble might pop.

> Isn't scalping a term used for tickets?

It is also a term use in general trading anywhere traders open and close their positions quickly to make profit off an upswing which might be in part caused by traders doing this. If done with inside knowledge it is illegal, in this case more commonly referred to as “front running” (which is what many suspect happened with numerous ahemfortuitous/serendipitous position changes around announcements of changes in the state of the US vs Iran situation).

> Also, these companies supposedly intend to actually use the RAM they ordered, not reselling at some inflated price.

As well as the companies ordering for the purpose of DC roll-outs and upgrades, there will definitely be some buying purely to sell at a higher price a short time later.

> It's all fair game IMHO, except the elephant in the room which is that the AI company bubble might pop.

[and with reference to the sibling reply to this: “Then we'll have a lot of cheap RAM.”]

I don't think it will pop with a sudden bang, and even if it is it won't affect these memory sales or probably those for 2028. The first real effect will be those using the AI tools suddenly finding themselves needing to pay a lot more for them as companies offering those services deal with reduced access to “new” credit from the circling investment pool shore up their fanciful accounting that way instead. The DC builds/upgrades that are currently planned will happen but more funded by end users and less by the investment cycle. New plans might not be actioned at the same scale, but it will take a while for that to affect component prices as there is a lot of lead time involved.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#33
post #28
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this size, I think we have to start worrying about a 2008-type default risk. AI companies will have ordered all the RAM and paid some kind of deposit for that, but actually taking delivery and paying for it is still in the future and the sums of capital involved are extremely large.

What kind of default risk? What we got in 2008 was central banks (eg Fed and ECB) willfully collapsing nominal GDP in their economies. Have a look at the dot-com bust or Black Monday for comparison.

> willfully collapsing nominal GDP

What on earth are you talking about?

The credit risk was a very real problem; Kaupthing, Anglo Irish, RBS, Lehman etc.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't scalping a term used for tickets? Also, these companies supposedly intend to actually use the RAM they ordered, not reselling at some inflated price. It's all fair game IMHO, except the elephant in the room which is that the AI company bubble might pop.

I don't see the AI bubble popping any time soon (as in, not in terms of physical datacenter buildout - stock prices could fall). Even if progress hits a brick wall, we still have multiple years of just expanding out the models we have to more people in more industries.

And if anything, I believe progress has been accelerating.

A year ago the SOTA was GPT-5/Opus 4.1/Gemini 2.5 Pro, two years ago Sonnet 3.5.

Looking at Opus 5 for SOTA performance and GPT 5.6 Luna for a viable cheap alternative, AI is much more capable now.

Honorable mention: GPT 5.6 Sol on Cerebras, capacity limited to a few customers, is supposedly serving 750 tok/s.

Compared to 90 tok/s for non fast mode 5.6 Sol, 56 tok/s for Opus 5, and 190 tok/s for 5.6 Luna.

I am very curious about the next generation of models, GPT-6/Astra is rumored to launch still in August. Not sure what is the state of Anthropic's next Fable checkpoint.

If these models also deliver significant improvements, I really do not see how one could seriously still argue among the lines of AI being a scam, and the demand not being there to support the size of the investments.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks to AI, we can now one-shot convert electron to native apps ;-)

Recipe for delicious pizza: 1. Make extra greasy pizza. Nauseating-level of grease. 2. Put pizza through De-Greasinator 5000. Sounds efficient.

The grease is vaporised and inhaled by one randomly chosen Memphis resident, who permanently gets chronic asthma.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#36

Amazon has implemented a password system for RAM delivery. You're supposed to give a password to the deliverer before taking delivery of the RAM, and you're not supposed to send the password over the phone at all (although the Amazon delivery guy still called me and asked for it over the phone).

can u provide some context? what is this trying to solve and how does it solve it? very curious.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#37
This will have general inflationary consequences for consumer products (phones, consoles, laptops, etc.). On top of current uncertainties regarding oil and fertilizers, I think 2% inflation in the US and Europe would be a very optimistic target.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#38

Amazon has implemented a password system for RAM delivery. You're supposed to give a password to the deliverer before taking delivery of the RAM, and you're not supposed to send the password over the phone at all (although the Amazon delivery guy still called me and asked for it over the phone).

can u provide some context? what is this trying to solve and how does it solve it? very curious.

Its a way to make sure the delivery takes place. A code is sent to recipient and recipient only gives it to the delivery person once item is handed over. Delivery person cant mark item as 'done' without the code. I've seen Uber Eats do the same thing sometimes.

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#39

The fact that consumer-level DDR4 is getting more expensive makes absolutely no market sense to me.

The lines that would have made consumer-level stuff are being reduced in favor of the higher profit margin/demand products. That means more supply of those other products (but still not enough) and lower supply of the consumer-level stuff (driving up prices).

Re: 2027 memory capacity is reportedly sold out

#40
post #22

I saw on Twitter that TSMC has made 1B worth of chips for Apple that they cannot package because of missing memory. (PS: It is time to let ASML sell to CXMT.)

> (PS: It is time to let ASML sell to CXMT.)

Why? High demand and low supply is very good for shareholders and make indexes go up, their goal is not to meet demand, they want exponential qurartly revunes

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