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Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention all the other ways they can screw you: - Middle of the day, servers busy? Swap to Sonnet while pretending it's still Opus. Many people won't notice, and nobody can prove anything if they suspect. - Middle of the night, server load is light? Put it into extra thinky mode so it burns more tokens to ramp up the bills. Flip the switch where it gets really pedantic about writing lots of extra test cases and…

It all sounds like having to rely on a dodgy housing contractor that wants to steal from you, take shortcuts AND choose the gold-plated options from their supplier friends, and will start doing this the minute you are not on site supervising. You don't do it yourself (because the contractor is faster and stronger than you in many ways) but you can't leave, so you're stuck on the worksite just watching them.

It's worse though, because you can't really watch them at all. It's very difficult to get quantitative numbers for quality. Even within the same model family, same tokenizer, and complete control over the weights and logits, perplexity and KL-divergence isn't really what you want. Now put it behind an HTTP endpoint, and it's just opaque.

I've seen local models recognize when the task I'm asking them for is likely to be an artificial benchmark.

And any smart company is going to use lightweight models to monitor your sessions. If their sentiment analysis suspects you're close to cancelling, they'll up the knob for a few days until you calm down. Or worse, their accounting tells them that you're getting too much value from your fixed price subscription, so they turn the knob down to encourage you to cancel.

In the short term, the "frontier" models are too good to ignore. But if (when?) that plateaus, I don't see how anyone could trust a non-local model. When you pay an ISP to serve your web site, you can tell if they over-compress your images to save storage and bandwidth. With LLMs, it's just JSON with more errors and pointing to the fine print that models are not deterministic.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

There are comments like the one you're replying to on literally every Chinese model release. This is textbook goomba fallacy, btw.

Had to look this up.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Goomba_fallacy

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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post #101

I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

I don’t think Meta is bad for releasing open models, but are you really going to ignore all the terrible things they’ve done over the years just because of that?

As for DeepSeek or any other Chinese lab, I’m not aware of any practices that would make me consider them a bad actor. Can you say the same about OpenAI, Meta or Anthropic?

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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post #101

I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

How is this non-sequitor the top comment?

First time here?

Unfortunately there are a few topics that short circuit some terminally only people. One of them being anything related to meta. Few others recently emerging is Flock or Musk. It's really exhausting since you can't have a discussion relating to anything that may be adjacent to said topics. It's like a black hole.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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post #101

I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

It’s rather amusing to me to read comments like this, and then simultaneously whenever a Chinese company or team releases open-weight models or whatever there is a giant round of applause, America is so behind, and there’s nothing but positive things to say about the intelligent, creative, and well-intentioned Chinese engineers (which is true, America certainly doesn’t have a monopoly on great people). Don’t you know…

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Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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post #5

Will be interesting to see how Qwen3.8 27B compares against this once it releases this week. Seems like dense 30B is back in fashion? EDIT: An open weight version of Muse Spark 1.2 is going to be released as well: https://x.com/alexandr_wang/status/2086756152034066792 https://xcancel.com/alexandr_wang/status/2086756152034066792

It’s really interesting timing, Qwen over thinking is what kills it for me. I’m just glad we have more options in this size class now.

I've been using Qwen3.6 35B A3B, and with reasoning turned on, I'd say 2/3 (give or take) of the tokens for a response are thinking tokens. Which at 70+ tps locally, that isn't that awful. I run an 80k context across 4-10 "agents" for my solo TTRPG, where Qwen is the GM, each NPC at a location, the director, and the narrator.

Each turn is about 45-60 seconds to generate all of the various responses. The GM and director have reasoning on, and the NPCs/Location/Narrator do not.

It's a fairly good "engine" for that. I'm not sure how a denser Qwen would do here regarding speed.

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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post #101

I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

https://www.meta.com/thefutureisforeveryone/

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

#229
post #97

With the business model for API based LLMs looking iffy at best it seems like we’re heading back to the “server under your desk” era of IT again.

What do you mean iffy? The major AI labs are gross profitable when selling access to inference. In addition, the best models have trillions of parameters and are most efficiently served on large, expensive clusters and served to many concurrent users.

> The major AI labs are gross profitable when selling access to inference.

Do you have a good source for this?

Re: Muse Glimmer: 30B-parameter model optimized for always-on local agent workflows

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post #101

I lament the comments saying this in any way redeems Meta (the company). The researchers releasing this stuff have almost nothing to do with Meta other than being bankrolled by the slaughterhouse. You aren't the customer, you are the pawn in big tech's game of thrones. Your good will is a commodity to be traded, almost literally. It will be used against you the moment it's convenient. This is open weights because Met…

You’re conflating the release of a local dense model that can benefit the ecosystem with the adverse effects of a digital ad system.
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