I'm glad that France, Germany, and England are getting hit hard. It means that some of the most powerful countries in the world will actually take action. If it were only some countries in the Global South then there would be less incentive to fix what we've broken.
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> i wonder what would happen if the whole world went vegan from tomorrow massive deforestation to culture soy And every human farting at the same time would make the cows look like saints.
There's already massive deforestation to grow soy...to feed cows. Eating soy directly is more efficient, so there would be less deforestation.
Is tiresome explaining this again and again to people that don't want to understand. Not. This plan will never work. Is a dead end.
Seriously. Anybody repeating this ideas again, should prove that they tried to read a handbook about ecology at least. Ecology is a science. This has been researched since the 70's.
Because humans eat a lot of ocean products that fall into omnivore diet and would need to be replaced by soy.
Because many arid places where you can have cattle are not suitable to culture soy, so if you remove cattle you are changing cattle by nothing and reducing the amount of feed produced, so we would need to compensate it killing some humans (not desirable) or increasing the pressure of agriculture over the natural areas somewhere.
Because vegetables are not enough in very cold places. You really need to eat animal fat there. Lots of it.
neither deserts or oceans or cold mountains or roads or cities are suitable to culture soy, the only remaining suitable places are the forests.
A meadow with cattle were it was a rainforest is a tragedy, but replacing the meadow with a monoculture of soy is making the problem much, much worse. The meadow is an ecosystem at least. The soy field is a dead zone.
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- people would have nutritional deficits - methane production would only drop by a max of 32% due to farming - rice alone already emits 12% of world methane, this would increase - only 15% of co2 comes from farming. - 45% of the co2 from farming is plants. This would increase. So it wouldn’t do anything.
I was able to find sources for your methane production figures, but can you provide them for the CO2? To your point about increasing CO2 from farming plants: 40-66% of corn and 58%-77% of soy grown in the US is currently fed to animals, and we dedicate 5,000% more acres to growing feed crops than to vegetables[1]. Since between 3 and 10 calories of plants fed to an animal yields 1 calorie of animal product (depending…
> and we dedicate 5,000% more acres to growing feed crops than to vegetables
And it's worth considering what would replace all that land (maybe some would end up being biofuel production, but a lot might be allowed to return to nature if it's not profitable anymore), along with things like less demand for slash and burn.
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#24- i wonder what would happen if the whole world went vegan from tomorrow - would it actually cut down emissions, methane? co2? - the price of veggies would obviously go 10x in the short term but would be the impact long term
GHG would keep leaking out of the permafrost. Warming goes up even if we stop all emissions tomorrow.
Yes, but there's no reason to stop trying to slow the acceleration. Things can be less bad, even if it's not perfect.
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Greenhouse gases cause warming powered by that sun-delivered energy!
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#26I'm glad that France, Germany, and England are getting hit hard. It means that some of the most powerful countries in the world will actually take action. If it were only some countries in the Global South then there would be less incentive to fix what we've broken.
> It means that some of the most powerful countries in the world will actually take action.
They wont. When the IPCC said the worst case scenario is off the table, the reaction of the conservatives was, now it’s time to reduce all that climate change stuff and put some "common sense“ back in, so the companies have less environmental laws to follow
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#27I'm glad that France, Germany, and England are getting hit hard. It means that some of the most powerful countries in the world will actually take action. If it were only some countries in the Global South then there would be less incentive to fix what we've broken.
That's hilarious, since France, Germany, and UK combined barely make up 8.7% of China's total CO₂ emissions [1]. In other words, China emits about 11.4 times as much as France, Germany, and the UK put together.
[1] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by...
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's already massive deforestation to grow soy...to feed cows. Eating soy directly is more efficient, so there would be less deforestation.
Is tiresome explaining this again and again to people that don't want to understand. Not. This plan will never work. Is a dead end. Seriously. Anybody repeating this ideas again, should prove that they tried to read a handbook about ecology at least. Ecology is a science. This has been researched since the 70's. Because humans eat a lot of ocean products that fall into omnivore diet and would need to be replaced by s…
> Is tiresome explaining this again and again to people that don't want to understand
I feel the same way.
> Because humans eat a lot of ocean products that fall into omnivore diet and would need to be replaced by soy.
How much seafood? How much soy?
> Because many arid places where you can have cattle are not suitable to culture soy
What percent of all cattle is that? What if only free-range cattle-rearing in already-existing pastureland were allowed to continue, but feedlots and grain-fed cattle were phased out?
> Because vegetables are not enough in very cold places. You really need to eat animal fat there. Lots of it.
Sure. We're basically talking about Siberia, Greenland, northern Finland/Sweden/Norway, and northern Alaska and Canada. Not very many people. They could continue to eat animal fats and it wouldn't make much difference.
> replacing the meadow with a monoculture of soy
Soy isn't the only bean. There are literally dozens of types of beans.
I don't think you realize:
1. How much soy and corn are grown to feed animals
2. How inefficient that is compared to feeding soy and corn to humans
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#29I'm glad that France, Germany, and England are getting hit hard. It means that some of the most powerful countries in the world will actually take action. If it were only some countries in the Global South then there would be less incentive to fix what we've broken.
That's hilarious, since France, Germany, and UK combined barely make up 8.7% of China's total CO₂ emissions [1]. In other words, China emits about 11.4 times as much as France, Germany, and the UK put together. [1] https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-by...
China is also 10 times the size of those countries put together. So they're about equally responsible.
China also makes most of the world's solar panels, EVs, and batteries.
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#30- i wonder what would happen if the whole world went vegan from tomorrow - would it actually cut down emissions, methane? co2? - the price of veggies would obviously go 10x in the short term but would be the impact long term
Hardly anything worthwhile, like paper straws, those are the kind of feel good measures, while the planet gets destroyed via wars, depletion of resources, wild construction, fires actually started by pyromanics and speculation for burned wood and construction sites, all everything else destroying Earth thanks to greed of a few in detriment of everyone else.