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The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Post by bombcar »

bityard wrote: post #170
shevy-java wrote: post #139

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Packages were handled way before 2025 already, so it is strange that you insinuate they'd all only burn out within a year, and before that it was all cake and tea. NixOS is dying, everyone sees this right now. > but we've also functioned without one for ~20 years. Then this is also a PR problem because why need a team when the 20 years before were allegedly so perfect?

> NixOS is dying I won't believe that until Netcraft confirms it.

Ah, good to see a fellow hot grits enjoyer.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Post by RossBencina »

indy wrote: post #133
aliasxneo wrote: post #18

I really don't think these issues are necessarily "systemic" in the sense that they've been ongoing for the last decade. I _was_ a long-time contributor until about two years ago when certain actors came into the community and started making a bunch of unnecessary drama. Since then I've seen some long-time friends in the community either slowly drop out or simply get ran out by a mob with pitch forks.

Many such cases across all aspects of society.

Is it patchable? Are there any known-working fixes that can be broadly applied?

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Post by JamesSwift »

mikepurvis wrote: post #34
hibikir wrote: post #28

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It gets worse when you are not a solo dev, and there's sufficient variety on people's setups. Oops, someone updated a version, and then built things for just their processor, and now I am stuck in a 20 minute compilation loop because some bad pin. Debugging Nix problems like those makes me think that old Gentoo Linux back in 2005 was easy and user friendly.

The way I set it up at my shop was that everything would build on your PR, and so by the time it merged, everything was already cached and no one should see a rebuild... at most a download.

Im thinking through this for my team, any previous writeups on it? Or do you mind brain dumping the high level of how you had it setup from a design perspective : D

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Post by craftkiller »

sshine wrote: post #120
haswell wrote: post #54

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Can you share more about what made you move away? I’ve been running a NixOS based homelab for awhile now with 5 physical hosts and about 30 NixOS containers/VMs in an Incus cluster and I can’t imagine moving away from my central Nix repo and ability to rebuild/upgrade the entire fleet in one command and feel confident that things will work. While I’m concerned about the disbanding, it would take quite a lot to make m…

I moved my homelab to Kubernetes. I just don’t see the use of single VPS’es. But I use the cluster as a training platform, so if I didn’t need Kubernetes in other parts of my life, I probably would have stuck with my NixOS VPS’es that all share config. I use kubenix to manage the cluster, of course. ;-)

The two aren't mutually exclusive! I just finished porting my personal kubernetes cluster from running on Debian to running on NixOS. Now whenever I want to update the host OS on my kubernetes nodes, I just build a new bootable ISO from my Nix configs and upload it to my servers, swapping out the whole OS atomically. If anything goes wrong, I can swap back to my previous build. No more anxiety running `sudo apt-get upgrade` and hoping for the best.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Post by Kratacoa »

fcantournet wrote: post #166
spoaceman7777 wrote: post #135

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The moderation team stuff was largely unrelated to tech stuff, and was specifically involved with politics and ideological HR-style cancellation discourse. One of the most notable actions of the team was managing a protest against defense companies assisting the project. Its disbanding was just another instance of the well documented, and statistically supported, end of the cancellation committee trend that rapidly t…

> Always important to remember that the equity-left is only about 20% of Americans, and the US is the global stronghold for such ideals What ? The U.S main ideological exports of the last 50 years are neoliberalism, alt-right and techno-feudalism. Its 2 party would register as far right and center right in basically any other country.

Both sentences are false.

> The U.S main ideological exports of the last 50 years are neoliberalism, alt-right and techno-feudalism

U.S.A is responsible for the pervasiveness of social liberalism in the centre-left of Western countries, and more specifically the topics of its American version (the so called "wokeness"). It's distinct from neoliberalism, although academic left, and its pundits, like to use that misnomer for anything liberal they want to put down. And I want to point out that all of the terms you used are generally poorly defined.

> Its 2 party would register as far right and center right in basically any other country.

That's also wrong, just look at the current European landscape. American Democrats are not like CDU in Germany, Conservative Party in UK, PiS in Poland, etc. , but rather closer to the centre-left counterparts in the respective countries.

Re: The Nixpkgs core team has disbanded

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Post by zamalek »

rrvsh wrote: post #159
Alien1Being wrote: post #117

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If you want to trust your servers to a product of this community, that is your call. Just note that the community is unstable and prone to civil wars.

please enumerate the civil wars over the decades Nix has been around. It is insane to discourage someone from using a good piece of battle-tested software because you personally have opinions about their community.

Flakes for a start.
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