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Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by rayiner »

goatlover wrote: post #142
gruez wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>NIMBY is largely used for housing development discussions and to contort it in support of developing data centers is incredibly intellectually dishonest. No, it's frequently used in infrastructure discussions as well, eg. high speed rail or power transmission lines.

Or like property on the Texas Mexico border through which a wall is being built sealing off acres of private land from the owner.

That’s the opposite of NIMBYism. Public infrastructure getting built despite inconvenience to affected landowners.

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by rainsford »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #129
alpha_squared wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NIMBY is largely used for housing development discussions and to contort it in support of developing data centers is incredibly intellectually dishonest. If we're going to rebrand things to blur lines, I propose rebranding data centers to pedophile content hubs. The rest of your argument is full of similar cherry-picking for dishonest discourse.

Opposing new housing construction is bad in basically the same way that opposing data center construction is bad; and I'm happy to use the same word to describe both groups of people.

There is a much stronger argument for why housing should be built near existing housing than for why data centers need to be built near existing housing. Housing NIMBYs are being unreasonable because if they got their way the only new housing would be built in the middle of nowhere, which is clearly unworkable. Data center NIMBYs are arguing for much the same thing, but focusing on building data centers a good distance away from housing seems pretty reasonable.

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by boston_clone »

qarl2 wrote: post #100
boston_clone wrote: post #92

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Do you think that the issues deserve the same attention, or are you perhaps making a false equivalence? As far as I’m aware, children aren’t being shot in the head and forcibly starved by an occupying force in Cuba. But to say that folks don’t care is clearly inaccurate.

I am making the fairly obvious point that Americans don't care about the Cubans like they did the Palestinians, despite the fact that the Cubans are directly suffering under the Americans, and in the case of the Palestinians it was indirect.

thinking that those two things need the same level of attention is for sure a false equivalence for reasons stated elsewhere. glad we got to the bottom of that one. further, we also saw that Americans do care, which is why we had elected officials there last month and can read about it through AP.

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by boston_clone »

qarl2 wrote: post #146
toomuchtodo wrote: post #132

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You say obvious but provide no citations or data. “Some people say” or “it’s obvious” is not a sufficient foundation for an assertion.

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i guess we’re seeing why your first account was nuked. if you’re failing to make a convincing point, you have to do better than replying with “LOL.”

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by qarl2 »

TitaRusell wrote: post #138
qarl2 wrote: post #86

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So where are the street protests for Cuba then? I marched for Gaza three times. I haven't seen a single one for Cuba. I'm not saying empathy is a Chinese psyop. The empathy is real. But empathy requires awareness - and awareness IS controlled by the algorithm.

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No, your country is directly killing people. No third party involved.

> dufus

Tsk tsk.

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by rainsford »

rayiner wrote: post #116
coldbrewed wrote: post #4

This is a collection of "OpenAI will boldly act in the abstract to provide air coverage for Texas leadership." With data centers under construction one would think they would have examples of successes or projects in progress available for reference. They'd claim credit if they had it so the silence is telling. Big tech has consistently valued profit and growth above good stewardship; the onus is entirely on OpenAI t…

Building stuff is good stewardship. We complain about NIMBYs. But with a few relatively modest regulations data centers can be quite friendly. They don’t generate traffic, congestion, etc. They don’t strain school or police infrastructure. Basically need some noise regulations. But the NIMBYs will kill it.

This seems like an entirely predictable outcome of data center builders and operators behaving like anti-social neighbors with noise just because no law prevented them from doing so.

Building a data center near homes and running your incredibly loud gas turbine generators 24/7 for months, destroying the property values and quality of life for the people living there, is a giant middle finger to the community they've moved into. I'm not saying the backlash banning them entirely rather than adding some additional regulations is entirely logical, but it's very understandable. And should have been eminently predictable.

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by qarl2 »

boston_clone wrote: post #153
qarl2 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am making the fairly obvious point that Americans don't care about the Cubans like they did the Palestinians, despite the fact that the Cubans are directly suffering under the Americans, and in the case of the Palestinians it was indirect.

thinking that those two things need the same level of attention is for sure a false equivalence for reasons stated elsewhere. glad we got to the bottom of that one. further, we also saw that Americans do care, which is why we had elected officials there last month and can read about it through AP.

Straw man.

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by trhway »

rayiner wrote: post #116
coldbrewed wrote: post #4

This is a collection of "OpenAI will boldly act in the abstract to provide air coverage for Texas leadership." With data centers under construction one would think they would have examples of successes or projects in progress available for reference. They'd claim credit if they had it so the silence is telling. Big tech has consistently valued profit and growth above good stewardship; the onus is entirely on OpenAI t…

Building stuff is good stewardship. We complain about NIMBYs. But with a few relatively modest regulations data centers can be quite friendly. They don’t generate traffic, congestion, etc. They don’t strain school or police infrastructure. Basically need some noise regulations. But the NIMBYs will kill it.

An extremely large dark black box. A haunted house on steroids. Not so quietly humming 24/7. Polluting the air from the large scale mobile gensets. Sucking in all the water and electric power so that the residential rates are going up and up.

I'm all for the datacenters, the more the better, it is the great race of acceleration of our civilization. Yet, it is pretty clear, and with history being the witness, that the tech-bros and MBAs will build it without any regard for the well-being of impacted communities. Thus we have the game of what communities will [be forced to] take a one for the team.

And this is why space base datacenters will be a thing :)

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by masfuerte »

rayiner wrote: post #116
coldbrewed wrote: post #4

This is a collection of "OpenAI will boldly act in the abstract to provide air coverage for Texas leadership." With data centers under construction one would think they would have examples of successes or projects in progress available for reference. They'd claim credit if they had it so the silence is telling. Big tech has consistently valued profit and growth above good stewardship; the onus is entirely on OpenAI t…

Building stuff is good stewardship. We complain about NIMBYs. But with a few relatively modest regulations data centers can be quite friendly. They don’t generate traffic, congestion, etc. They don’t strain school or police infrastructure. Basically need some noise regulations. But the NIMBYs will kill it.

Factories were originally located near housing (or vice versa) because the factories needed lots of workers. This doesn't apply to data centres. They don't need to be near anybody's home, so why should anyone be obliged to suffer their externalities? Just build your data centre somewhere else.

Re: Letter to Governor Abbott on responsible AI infrastructure in Texas

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Post by hotpotatoe »

rayiner wrote: post #151
goatlover wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or like property on the Texas Mexico border through which a wall is being built sealing off acres of private land from the owner.

That’s the opposite of NIMBYism. Public infrastructure getting built despite inconvenience to affected landowners.

That pointless infrastructure that has ‘inconvenienced’ landowners is also destroying a national park, so I guess we are all being inconvenienced. And funneled billions of tax dollars to private contractors.
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