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An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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This is the guy who said open weight models are “decelerationist” and will lead to “AI communism” and a “dystopian hellscape” so I’d categorize him more as an OpenAI spokesperson than a strategist. His takes always sound more like someone who chugged the kool aid rather than any kind of rational take. https://xcancel.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412

Sounds more like a crank really.

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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This is kinda scary to think about... If we at some point have to pay a 'token-tax' or 'AI-tax' just to have access to something that may be embedded in all aspects of life... I fear society will get even more divided.

Friend of mine got a new job. He’s required to and only allowed to use Copilot (because muh trusted enterprise partner).

He also has to pay for his subscription/usage out of pocket. Of course they didn’t tell him this until after on-boarding.

The corpo fucks want their cake and to eat it too. That’s where we are headed. Having the privilege to pay to have a bot do our jobs for us.

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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post #8

As Moises Naim says, these days power is easy to get, hard to use, easy to loose. As complexity/unpredictability rises in any system its natual that govt will shed power. We have already seen this with setting of interest rates. There is a long list of reasons why the Treasury Dept, President, House, Senate, Supreme Court or NASA doesnt get to set the rate. Why did they hand over that power to the central bank? Read…

there is a huge difference here between that and the central bank

the central bank is semi part of the state, AI Labs are not, AI Labs are fully under directly control of a extremely small number of people in a way which has nothing to do with democracy

founding a Organisation like the FCC but for AI oversight is a completely different topic, but that isn't what he is proposing

> Italy hand over the Vatican to the Church?

because it always had been a nano country under Church control, this is not comparable at all

> Church or Religious institutions.

most democracies have a separation of state and religion where religion has little to no governing power. When this isn't the case it's a failure of the state (often for historic reason). This isn't desirable at all.

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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post #4

The thinking in this article seems muddled to me. Historically there are two fundamental models for rivalries between powerful economic actors and national governments. * Regulatory capture - AI Labs [partially] capture government functions, i.e., take over. In practice this equates to oligarchy. * Nationalization - Government takes over AI labs through some form of direct or indirect control (e.g., dirigisme). The a…

I mostly read it AI Labs == established AI Labs i.e. under control of a few rich people. Else it wouldn't be called AI Labs but, idk. AI Comission (like FCC) or similar

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

#19

This is kinda scary to think about... If we at some point have to pay a 'token-tax' or 'AI-tax' just to have access to something that may be embedded in all aspects of life... I fear society will get even more divided.

Friend of mine got a new job. He’s required to and only allowed to use Copilot (because muh trusted enterprise partner). He also has to pay for his subscription/usage out of pocket. Of course they didn’t tell him this until after on-boarding. The corpo fucks want their cake and to eat it too. That’s where we are headed. Having the privilege to pay to have a bot do our jobs for us.

I don't think this is legal??

It's like telling someone they have to drive none stop for their job but neither giving them a company car or nor a budget for it.

(To be clear done and companies get away with it != legal. I know companies sometimes get away with exactly the example I named in some cases.)

Re: An OpenAI Strategist Says AI Labs Should Rival Government Power

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post #9

This is the guy who said open weight models are “decelerationist” and will lead to “AI communism” and a “dystopian hellscape” so I’d categorize him more as an OpenAI spokesperson than a strategist. His takes always sound more like someone who chugged the kool aid rather than any kind of rational take. https://xcancel.com/deanwball/status/2078133895766114412

Open weights deter capex? Who cares!? Nvidia isn't paying me to increase Openai's capex. I want tokens, not capex. Am I misconstruing the argument?

no it's people presenting "this is good for a handful of companies" as if it is the "desirable outcome for the general population" even if the final consequences seem rather bad for the general population and might even threaten democracy
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