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I don't know a single white collar worker who isn't using AI for their job. Not like forced, but like "Oh damn, this bot thing can do a lot of tedious leg work for me". To think that people won't pay $60-$80/mo to continue using it is wild to me. In a white collar environment it pays for itself in a few hours of use. If you focus on how much value AI brings to people (mostly in time saved), the bubble hardly looks bu…

Google funds Anthropic | v Anthropic promises to rent Google's TPUs | v Google guarantees the infrastructure needed to fulfil Anthropic's promise | v Wall Street lends against Google's guarantee | v Borrowed money buys Google-designed TPUs | v The TPU purchases "prove" demand for Google TPUs | v Anthropic's compute capacity and valuation rise | v Google's investment in Anthropic rises in value | v Higher valuations j…

Anthropic has 80%+ margins on inference.

Google has 30%+ margins on compute.

Both parties have discovered a literal money printer. The payback period is At those unit economics, anyone not borrowing aggressively here to create more money printers is a moron.

Re: Why Wall Street is ignoring big tech's debt [video]

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I don't know a single white collar worker who isn't using AI for their job. Not like forced, but like "Oh damn, this bot thing can do a lot of tedious leg work for me". To think that people won't pay $60-$80/mo to continue using it is wild to me. In a white collar environment it pays for itself in a few hours of use. If you focus on how much value AI brings to people (mostly in time saved), the bubble hardly looks bu…

But pay for who? $50 for a cheaper competitor? $20 for a chinese one? Or just buy hardware and host/co-host for privacy? And to balance the insane spending even your $60-80 example would be hardly enough from that white collar audience.

Re: Why Wall Street is ignoring big tech's debt [video]

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> Even adding something like $20 - $100 subscriptions to every user is a serious enough financial obligation that it needs to go through budget planning / boards I doubt that. In my tiny town in India, office workers use the 1800 INR (20$) plans. 1800 INR/month is like... 4% of the salary these guys get. And since this is mostly MS-office and windows explorer and chrome based stuff in very small, non-tech companies,…

I remember the piracy era, and it used to be a joke whether anyone could actually stop it. Eventually MS dealt with piracy by going after firms, and finally by offering something cheap enough. Between the legal aspects, and the fact that its MS office, paying Rs 1800 a month is possible. I’ve been trawling every source I can find to understand what the story on the ground is, and when it comes to productivity it’s a…

>Eventually MS dealt with piracy by going after firms, and finally by offering something cheap enough.

Sure, because they realized that selling software at any cost because software has extremely low overhead. Selling 100M Windows at 2 USD was easier and my guess is a wash at that price.

However, AI is not selling software, it's selling hardware usage which is not free and has real cost. If Rs 1800 which is 20 USD is not profitable, then they will not offer it.

Re: Why Wall Street is ignoring big tech's debt [video]

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I don't know a single white collar worker who isn't using AI for their job. Not like forced, but like "Oh damn, this bot thing can do a lot of tedious leg work for me". To think that people won't pay $60-$80/mo to continue using it is wild to me. In a white collar environment it pays for itself in a few hours of use. If you focus on how much value AI brings to people (mostly in time saved), the bubble hardly looks bu…

Your base premise is flawed. I know plenty of white collar workers who do not use AI for their job.

Re: Why Wall Street is ignoring big tech's debt [video]

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Google funds Anthropic | v Anthropic promises to rent Google's TPUs | v Google guarantees the infrastructure needed to fulfil Anthropic's promise | v Wall Street lends against Google's guarantee | v Borrowed money buys Google-designed TPUs | v The TPU purchases "prove" demand for Google TPUs | v Anthropic's compute capacity and valuation rise | v Google's investment in Anthropic rises in value | v Higher valuations j…

Anthropic has 80%+ margins on inference. Google has 30%+ margins on compute. Both parties have discovered a literal money printer. The payback period is At those unit economics, anyone not borrowing aggressively here to create more money printers is a moron.

>Anthropic has 80%+ margins on inference.

That's like saying my delivery company is profitable because with current gas prices, my margin is 80%. Yea, what about all money you spent to get there? You still profitable then?

Re: Why Wall Street is ignoring big tech's debt [video]

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I don't know a single white collar worker who isn't using AI for their job. Not like forced, but like "Oh damn, this bot thing can do a lot of tedious leg work for me". To think that people won't pay $60-$80/mo to continue using it is wild to me. In a white collar environment it pays for itself in a few hours of use. If you focus on how much value AI brings to people (mostly in time saved), the bubble hardly looks bu…

But the question is how much are people willing to pay for AI. I use AI every day at work, but I only pay $20. That's the most I will ever want to pay. And, so far, it gives me everything I need. If OpenAI or Anthropic suddenly said "Sorry, the game is up. You'll have to pay $100/month now", I would 100% look into cheaper Chinese solutions. I suspect the AI subscription (or API) economy is whale economy. You have a s…

I pay the 200 max for Fable daily driving and it’s worth every penny

Re: Why Wall Street is ignoring big tech's debt [video]

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Anthropic has 80%+ margins on inference. Google has 30%+ margins on compute. Both parties have discovered a literal money printer. The payback period is At those unit economics, anyone not borrowing aggressively here to create more money printers is a moron.

>Anthropic has 80%+ margins on inference. That's like saying my delivery company is profitable because with current gas prices, my margin is 80%. Yea, what about all money you spent to get there? You still profitable then?

Yes, actually. Anthropic has gross margins of 40%+, hit $75B ARR last month, and (as of this quarter) is profitable.

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using how?

summarize email and then generate slop that gets summarized on the other end

Not to forget asking questions and getting wrong answers... Thus possibly causing net loss for company.

Re: Why Wall Street is ignoring big tech's debt [video]

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>Anthropic has 80%+ margins on inference. That's like saying my delivery company is profitable because with current gas prices, my margin is 80%. Yea, what about all money you spent to get there? You still profitable then?

Yes, actually. Anthropic has gross margins of 40%+, hit $75B ARR last month, and (as of this quarter) is profitable.

As Ed Zitron pointed out, that "quarter" of profitability is EBITDA profitability and comes with plenty of creative accounting. When they do it for a year, we can say "They have found profitability"

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Buy an M5 max for $4k and you have a portable Deepseek 0731 for life.

But it won't last for life. It will probably last about 4 years so that equates to about 100/mo.

M1 is finishing it's 6th year of life and going strong ...
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