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“Code was never the hard part” is an insult to all programmers

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Re: “Code was never the hard part” is an insult to all programmers

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It's an ARM CPU - ARM is built off Berkeley RISC. ASML would never exist if not for billions of dollars of R&D spending by American chip manufacturers, much of which was directly provided. Obviously there are good engineers in Europe. There just aren't as many as there are in the US, in large part because the US encourages immigration with much higher salaries.

It is correct that a lot of talented Europeans get educated in Europe and then immigrate to the US starting successful companies. Without those Europeans, there would be a lot fewer successful US companies.

American rules, if you start a billion dollar company in the States you're one of us :)

On a more serious note, the US awards more college degrees per capita than most other developed nations. Strict licensing requirements or not, software engineering is just what it's called here because of the many and obvious similarities between it and other kinds of engineering.

Re: “Code was never the hard part” is an insult to all programmers

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Perhaps it is an insult to some programmers, but not all. A lot of enterprise web systems are just CRUD with caching and a little bit of JavaScript. Modern frameworks take care of so much boilerplate that coding really is the easy part. I don't think its offensive to say that.

My boss recently hired a vibe coder with zero experience in web development because he was an AI enthusiast and figured he could vibe code his way to success. He generated thousands of lines of code and presented pretty mockups giving the illusion of progress. But when push came to shove, he couldn't get the job done.

He couldn't communicate clearly. He didn't know how to test or accept feedback. He didn't know how to manage expectations or scope creep (which was rampant). He was completely lacking the soft skills which are so often under appreciated in our industry. Frustrations boiled over and he quit in dramatic fashion. Later, my boss asked me what went wrong and I told him verbatim:

"Code was never the hard part"

Re: “Code was never the hard part” is an insult to all programmers

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One is verifiable, if you don't believe maybe you should ask others in the field too. Or maybe you're just wrong and won't admit it, clutching to your preconceived notions.

if it's verifiable, I'd love for you to verify it. I don't consider hearsay a strong form of verification > maybe you're just wrong and won't admit it, clutching to your preconceived notions. I assume in your world this is only something other people do, but your judgement is perfect right?

https://youtu.be/9Q9Yrj2RTkg

https://youtu.be/HQXi4snP36I

A simple Google search found these, maybe you should look harder when looking to verify something instead of dismissal. My judgement is indeed perfect in this comment because, as I said, it is verifiable that it is happening, unless you think that no company at all is building internal tools with AI which would be the counter example to my claim that at least some are. Not even sure what your point is here, because your counter claim is nearly unfalsifiable unless you know every single company's operations in the world.

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