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ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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R_D_Olivaw wrote: post #57
akoboldfrying wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even LLMs from years ago could accurately mimic the style of any sufficiently famous author.

Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to get these models back? I really like the older ones for NPC dialogue for TTRPG campaigns and the like. I just looked into it and I think I can still find GPT 3.5, but wonder if it too has been trained out of usefulness. The characters a styles were quirky and not always perfect, but added a lot more flavor and character nuance that could be corrected with editing.

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Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Post by chrisldgk »

Lerc wrote: post #60
internetguy wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is rich coming from the company that shreds books for training data

There is a really weird perception of the importance of books as if there is a important property to be preserved in every book. This was hilighted to me by a librarian friend if mine, She said they destroy books all the time in her job, and got rather angry when people suggested that it was intrinsicly bad, because there is nothing sacred about simply being a book. It is about the replacibility. They had a program w…

The difference here I think is that the company (Anthropic, not OpenAI) was specifically selecting rare books for training (and subsequently destroying). I think the value proposition is a much different one in this case. In your example the books are still available in high enough amounts that replacing it is cheaper. If the book is rare enough to not have been digitized for training data yet (which is why Anthropic is interested in it), keeping that book around is much more important.

If Anthropic subsequently released the digitized version of it we’d be having a different discussion, but for obvious reasons they’re not.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Post by onemoresoop »

fwn wrote: post #58
R_D_Olivaw wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to get these models back? I really like the older ones for NPC dialogue for TTRPG campaigns and the like. I just looked into it and I think I can still find GPT 3.5, but wonder if it too has been trained out of usefulness. The characters a styles were quirky and not always perfect, but added a lot more flavor and character nuance that could be corrected with editing.

I have no experience with style imitation, so perhaps I'm missing something here. I asked Kimi K3 to rewrite your comment in the style of Ernest Hemingway: > I would like to get the old models back. If anyone can show me the way, I would be grateful. I liked them for NPC dialogue, for TTRPG campaigns and the like. > I looked into it. GPT 3.5 is still around, I think. But perhaps they have trained it out of usefulness…

How token efficient is kimi? How much do you average each month for example?

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Post by Planktonne »

pseingatl wrote: post #41
watwut wrote: post #24

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Useless. The work is still lost or abandoned.

I would wager that many people are eager to read George R.R. Martin's latest were he unable to finish it. Stieg Larsson's Lisbeth Salander has featured in works written by others after his death. Why not AI?

1. AI is incapable of doing this well, and that seems unlikely to change.

2. No one who appreciates those books wants this.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Post by thesmtsolver2 »

raincole wrote: post #51
obscurette wrote: post #37

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Do you think people behind DeepSeek don't have their own interests? And people/parties controlling people behind DeepSeek?

When did I say that...? Is this an AI hallucinated comment?

Your comment implied that. Don’t have to say everything directly. You don’t need AI hallucination to connect things logically.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Post by giancarlostoro »

chrisldgk wrote: post #62
Lerc wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a really weird perception of the importance of books as if there is a important property to be preserved in every book. This was hilighted to me by a librarian friend if mine, She said they destroy books all the time in her job, and got rather angry when people suggested that it was intrinsicly bad, because there is nothing sacred about simply being a book. It is about the replacibility. They had a program w…

The difference here I think is that the company (Anthropic, not OpenAI) was specifically selecting rare books for training (and subsequently destroying). I think the value proposition is a much different one in this case. In your example the books are still available in high enough amounts that replacing it is cheaper. If the book is rare enough to not have been digitized for training data yet (which is why Anthropic…

They did it due to some weird copyright argument about copying and destroying the original seeming like a transfer and not copyright violation, which is insane and apparently is mot always interpreted in said way. So they are literally taking a copyright gamble they might lose.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Post by giancarlostoro »

R_D_Olivaw wrote: post #57
akoboldfrying wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even LLMs from years ago could accurately mimic the style of any sufficiently famous author.

Can anyone point me in the right direction on how to get these models back? I really like the older ones for NPC dialogue for TTRPG campaigns and the like. I just looked into it and I think I can still find GPT 3.5, but wonder if it too has been trained out of usefulness. The characters a styles were quirky and not always perfect, but added a lot more flavor and character nuance that could be corrected with editing.

You can pay Microsoft they were exclusive host of GPT models.

Re: ChatGPT starts blocking direct requests to copy an author's style

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Post by rymiel »

malshe wrote: post #3

This is rich considering LLMs can't even write like an average person let alone famous authors

LLMs cannot write dialogue between two characters where one person knows a fact and the other person doesn't. It will consistently make the character who shouldn't know something bring up said fact and I have not found a model which will not do this. All these years of LLM research and it fails grade schooler level logic, if it is even slightly abstracted behind a story.
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