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Re: Should you stop cracking your knuckles?

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Any muscle, back and joint pain should first be met with mild strengthening, mild weight loss and mild exercise. It's like turning your computer off and on. Mostly the problems go away. Then check for other things :) Keep remembering to relax and move, from your fingers to your wrists and shoulders. And keep trying different set-ups and equipment if you can. There is a pretty magic set-up for most people. 30+ years m…

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Re: Should you stop cracking your knuckles?

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Its a con that is trying very hard to become legitimate. Chiros started as a scam, continued as a scam, and are now a widely accepted scam. The legit work they do is often just physical therapy. Just go to a physical therapist.

Its such a scam that professional sports teams all hire chiropractors to work on the bodies they invest millions of dollars into each year.

Athletes are often highly superstitious and ritualistic, (and young and dumb), its not surprising they would engage in something like chiropractic.

Sports science is mostly just guesswork.

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Its a con that is trying very hard to become legitimate. Chiros started as a scam, continued as a scam, and are now a widely accepted scam. The legit work they do is often just physical therapy. Just go to a physical therapist.

Its such a scam that professional sports teams all hire chiropractors to work on the bodies they invest millions of dollars into each year.

Sports doctors were never immune to misguided treatments. The regular ice baths after an injury have already been thoroughly proven to slow down recovery. You need ice only after the initial trauma, afterwards ice just hinders the healing process. But million dollar bodies were subjected to it for years and still are.

And a lot of treatments are known by the doctor to be fake but are still performed so the player benefits from the placebo effect.

In the sports where the team doctor would routinely administer PEDs to the players under the guise of “vitamins” or whatever, after the practice became harder to pull off some doctors kept administering sugar pills to avoid the nocebo effect. They just follow the ritual that doesn’t harm the player but gives them peace of mind.

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Its a con that is trying very hard to become legitimate. Chiros started as a scam, continued as a scam, and are now a widely accepted scam. The legit work they do is often just physical therapy. Just go to a physical therapist.

A physical therapist costs significantly more, which is why a lot of chiropractors in rural areas with a lot of manual labor are well looked upon. They are mostly just practicing physical therapy without a medical license which could get them in trouble if it wasn't considered chiropractic work. The pure quackery doesn't get them as far because most of their customers are too poor to regularly spend on woowoo crap. I…

My insurance covers physical therapy, chiropractor, and/or massage all in the same category. I get 12 total visits a year, mix n match style.

I don't really understand what people need a physical therapist for... They basically just instructed me on how to do exercises that significantly worsened my pain. Brilliant? And then she had the nerve to say riding my bicycle is a bad idea?! Fuck that stupid bitch I never went back.

My chiropractor was much more pragmatic. He asked if bicycling made my back feel better. Guess what?! It does!!!

While a massage therapist or chiropractor does things I can't do to myself. So PT seems kind of like a waste of time and money.

I suggest Bob and Brad on YouTube. Do it at your own pace and do things that actually feel good and don't hurt!

Re: Should you stop cracking your knuckles?

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Its a con that is trying very hard to become legitimate. Chiros started as a scam, continued as a scam, and are now a widely accepted scam. The legit work they do is often just physical therapy. Just go to a physical therapist.

A physical therapist costs significantly more, which is why a lot of chiropractors in rural areas with a lot of manual labor are well looked upon. They are mostly just practicing physical therapy without a medical license which could get them in trouble if it wasn't considered chiropractic work. The pure quackery doesn't get them as far because most of their customers are too poor to regularly spend on woowoo crap. I…

> The pure quackery doesn't get them as far because most of their customers are too poor to regularly spend on woowoo crap.

Yeah, but them very same type of folks (like where I grew up in "rancher territory") who can't (or won't) regularly spend on "woowoo crap" will happily budget a reasonable monthly (or even weekly) fee for a bit of good advice, some stretching exercises and "adjustments", and a bit of basic applied physical therapy techniques that provide a measure of genuine relief. That's how chiropracters in "farm country" make their money.

They basically are as you say "practicing physical therapy" (and some other similar and related services) under a different license (chiropractic). If they didn't provide a valid service in places like that, they'd be outta business downright quick-like, because them small-ish towns, word gets around pretty quick if you done somethin' bad like scammin' a hard-workin' neighbor with "woowoo crap".

Re: Should you stop cracking your knuckles?

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I've been to wonderful chiropractors and I've been to quacks. The good ones will discuss what's going on and individualize treatment. The bad ones will kind of just do the same exact routine every time you go there and they'll do the same thing to everyone that goes there -- wham, bam, ty ma'am style -- get you in and out the door as quick as possible! They'll probably pop just about everything they can, which accomp…

All chiropractors are quacks. The whole thing is based on quackery.

Says a duck like you?

> Dr. Blake Meyer is an Iowa native with more than a decade of experience in biomechanics, rehabilitation, and patient-centered care. He earned a bachelor’s degree in Biomedical Engineering from the University of Iowa and his Doctor of Chiropractic degree from Palmer College of Chiropractic.

> During his training, Dr. Meyer worked with the Musculoskeletal Biomechanics and Sports Medicine Research Lab at University of Iowa Health Care and the Sports Injury and Rehabilitation Department at Palmer College. He has also completed advanced coursework in physical rehabilitation at the board certification level.

This guy is the real deal. More often than not he didn't pop a single thing on my body, buddy. He would get deep into my glutes and floss my sciatic nerves though and that's very evident-based work. And I referred plenty of people to him and we all love the guy.

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It's surprising that it's not common knowledge that "Chiropractic" is not medicine, nor a science, and the field is associated with vaccine misinformation and unproven supplements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiropractic

Osteopathy makes even bolder claims for similar shit and has been legitimized into the medical community as "equal" to medical doctors.

Only in the US, really; some other countries have some sort of legitimisation of osteopaths, but the US osteopathic physicians are, as far as I know, unique.

Re: Should you stop cracking your knuckles?

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I feel like wrist pain can have many different causes. I'm a climber and programmer, and I had pretty bad wrist pain for a bit. Went to the physical therapist, and after poking around a bit, she was like "yeah idk if this is actually a wrist issue. I think it might be referred pain from a pinched nerve higher up". Told me to try and sit with better posture, and gave me some tendon glide exercises. Wrist pain went awa…

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I mean, this was from a physical therapist at Kaiser Permanente, pinched nerves and referred pain are real things, and whatever happened fixed it for me, so idk? My guess is that it sounds like something a chiropractor would say because they tend to over-attribute pain in general to be referred pain from spinal misalignment? But idk much about chiropractic things.
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