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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I like how the “Chinese propaganda” against datacenters was found to be mostly a collection of facts. That's not my understanding. Got any credible links that back up this point?

Sure, NPR went over this: https://www.npr.org/2026/06/10/nx-s1-5844328/us-china-data-c... —- quote section below Linvill said he can't rule out that the Chinese are quietly paying influencers or others to oppose data centers, but he pointed out there's no need. "I think in this case, the people talking about data centers are real people with real passions and real perspectives and real opinions." In Utah, those peopl…

That doesn't address the question of whether the concerns are valid. They aren't.

You want to save water? Protest golf courses. You want to save energy? Progress in AI is the best way to do that.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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I want to read your original claim but it was censored. I am aware of the IC community being active on these forums and using algorithm/actors to downvote and hide information. Would you share it again here or send it via DM? Sorry you’ve had to face this.

https://archive.ph/W2tpE > One of the dead was Technical Sergeant Kevin Stallings, a digital network intelligence analyst whose family told Bloomberg they wanted him to be identified to bring greater attention to the suicides. Stallings was stationed at Fort Meade, Maryland, Cyber Command’s headquarters. He took his own life the month before he’d have turned 37. These people aren't "drone operators", they worked for…

Yes. I saw that post, it was still up. I can see that being true.

Did you see my posts?

I was targeted by the CIA or an intel agency, as a pakistani-american US citizen who has committed no crimes and only spoke up against calling my own government's agency terrorists. I saw what I could describe as behavior online resembling deep state astroturfing and fake accounts, and later agents showed up to experiment on me. I have been wondering if the odd behavior is that resembling a group that wants to try to houseclean me. This isn't a made up instance and you can look through my comment history for examples of how accounts that seem odd show up and in lock-step discredit and attack me. I think this is more evidence for your perspective being possible and not to feel gaslight and made out to be crazy.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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That's insulting. And offensive. I think you should be the one asking the psychiatrist or psychologist to diagnose you whatever I deem fit - but, since I'm the one who shared something weird and you hide behind insulting others I don't have the speciality down for to recommend your psychologist. edit: I can see through your comment history you make a lot of offensive bad faith remarks to people. This is a forum of sh…

Delusions of persecution by the CIA are a common symptom of paranoid schizophrenia. It's very sad.

So is murder and suicide by the CIA. That's very sad too. I hope you never have to experience knowing a family member, friend or a class of people that have been attacked by a group like that - lots of innocents get hurt in crossfire or outright malicious hostility and their experiences can invalidated not too unlike how you have demonstrated today.

Perhaps you can put yourself in someone else's shoes and grow the empathy to see what it's like. Have you ever considered what these innocent people actually experience? Or do you invalidate all of their experiences and say they are all crazy and "it's very sad"? Try saying that to a dead person or a family member who has tried to come forth with what they experienced in outright murder and see that a powerful government-organization just invalidates them.

I suggest you confront your abusive communication and frequent comment history of invalidating others, from your bad faith position where you violate the forum's rules that you frequent. It's hurtful and abusive. I can see that maybe it's easier for some to cope with the evil in the world by just denying it even exists and labeling everyone who experiences it is as just crazy. I can get that not everyone can accept these behaviors are possible in this world and still retain their own position of comfort with themselves and their position in the world. From you though I've experienced no open-mindedness, good faith or ability to acknowledge a perspective different from your own as being possible and I find that lack of empathy as very sad. Good luck.

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> nradov: Has a psychiatrist or clinical psychologist ever evaluated you for paranoid schizophrenia? reply

> mannanj That's insulting. And offensive. I think you should be the one asking the psychiatrist or psychologist to diagnose you whatever I deem fit - but, since I'm the one who shared something weird and you hide behind insulting others I don't have the speciality down for to recommend your psychologist. edit: I can see through your comment history you make a lot of offensive bad faith remarks to people. This is a forum of showing good faith, have you demonstrated that? Maybe you should ask your psychiatrist why you frequent a forum where you can't follow the very clear ruleset of showing good faith. reply

> nradov: Delusions of persecution by the CIA are a common symptom of paranoid schizophrenia. It's very sad.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

#574

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Sure, NPR went over this: https://www.npr.org/2026/06/10/nx-s1-5844328/us-china-data-c... —- quote section below Linvill said he can't rule out that the Chinese are quietly paying influencers or others to oppose data centers, but he pointed out there's no need. "I think in this case, the people talking about data centers are real people with real passions and real perspectives and real opinions." In Utah, those peopl…

That doesn't address the question of whether the concerns are valid. They aren't. You want to save water? Protest golf courses. You want to save energy? Progress in AI is the best way to do that.

Oh they absolutely are valid, though! We've seen them ignore permitting for generators, use incredible amounts of water and raise all our power bills, steal books and movies for training - and for what?

Subscription AI isn't going to pay for itself - it's pretty clear that they'll want a bailout in the name of "security"; which is why it's so great the Chinese are releasing models as-good-or-better for free: ironically because it drives an even bigger stake into the heart of US AI companies.

The sooner these AI companies are destroyed, the better.

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US military standard for "did we kill civilians" with drone attacks is "do these appear to be combat aged males, based on satellite photos". It's monstrous.

Do you have a source showing this is actually the U.S. military’s standard, rather than a distorted reference to the Obama era casualty counting controversy?

It’s Bush, not just Obama ..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorization_for_Use_of_Milit...

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

#576

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On the other hand, you're approaching tautology with what you seem to be implying here, which is "flaws or challenges that you can fix yourself aren't mental health problems".

There’s no such thing as “mental health issues”. There is such a thing as the “Mental Health Industrial Complex”. How did humans evolve and survive for hundreds of thousands of years without “mental health issues” and suddenly 23% of children in public schools have a diagnosis.

The same way they survived and evolved for hundreds of thousands of years with cancer and different bacterial infections and viruses and congenital defects: they suffered from them, sometimes died from them. They didn't lack mental health issues, they just lived or died with them unaddressed or poorly addressed.

What a stupid argument.

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Omitting truth also has consequences, hence the speculation.

yeah, but you and i can't do much about what some institution is doing on a daily basis. we can, however, do a lot more about what we're doing on a daily basis -- i.e. not engaging with or spreading speculative bullshit / FUD. there's enough bullshit for people to deal with in the world. why add to it?

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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What if killing a soldier’s children might make him lose his resolve or act erratically? What if destroying an entire city full of millions of civilians might make the enemy lose hope and surrender? What if poisoning the land and water for decades could prevent the enemy from reconstituting itself? What if killing all the women could prevent the production of future soldiers? Once you open the door, where do you draw…

I interpret your examples as further evidence (in addition to the examples I gave) that there is no sensible justification for distinguishing military from civilian casualties. Was that your intention?

On the contrary, I was fully intending to show that you need a hard line between civilian and military when considering military action, or mass atrocities and even genocide are almost certain. It’s a little concerning that you didn’t understand that, or willfully misunderstood that. Make sure you don’t lose your humanity.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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This is all complete and utter rubbish. If you talk to any man who’s overcome adversity, they’ll straight up tell you they didn’t do any of this nonsense.

This has not been my experience, at all.

The overwhelming majority of what people consider “mental health” issues simply stop being issues when people fix:

Diet

Exercise

Faith

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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that's because they were the ones being threatened, they were at risk, and they did the kill shot as self-protection (putting aside whether they should have been there in the first place). Drone warfare isn't the same thing. People who kill by drone aren't "at war", more often than not now, just killers. Their buddies aren't there, they aren't there, and they were really never at risk of much but being sent to the br…

This seems like rage bait. You could just as easily make the claim that all soldiers, regardless of their support role, could refuse orders long before they were put in a position that risks their own safety, knowing that in all cases their role would be to support the killing of others.

Not sure why you would construe this as rage bait. I am merely pointing out that by subtracting the actual theatre of war, the "act" of "being in war" is being divorced from actually "being in war". This is no less true than suggesting someone who lost weight by being knocked out cold, going into a coma, and being put on drip fluids for months only to wake up more svelte than when they got beaten up lost weight but wasn't on a weight loss program. Just because it is not pleasant to admit does not negate the fact that it is true.

As to the rest of your comment, everyone who signs up chooses their MOS, and those lacking the choice they want are totally allowed to not enlist in the first place in the U.S.; if there ever is a draft, this likely would not be one of the things those people would be drafted for first, either. If I recall, there is even a rather high signon "bonus" for this MOS, compared to most of the others (that may have changed in the years and years since I last looked though).

In short, noone should enter a military contract thinking you should "feel good" with the idea of killing, though let's be real, noone should be suggesting you should think you won't be expected to; anything but.

My point was, the U.S. and a number of other countries have gamified killing. Adding distance adds dehumanization. That is partly why it is done.

Avoiding any current affairs talk because I am disgusted by how crazy people sound; this stuff has been true though for decades.

The whole cyber thing in the post isn't even about drone careers it is about exploitation careers. But it is related, in a roundabout way. And both "careers" aim to put a remove between real life and the "job". Of course, I could make the argument that they have more in common than people think, but that would be a book not a comment on a thread.

If you haven't checked out Sisela Bok's book on violence and gaming it is a good read, incidentally.

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