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Post by gusfoo »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #88
dofm wrote: post #47

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The concept of the UK "surveillance state" is actually quite overcooked. It's largely based on myth and dramatisation. BTP probably have a national live feed of railway station cameras. I bloody hope they do, considering it's a rather small, quite centralised police force that covers an enormous rail network, but they are known to have hired "super-recognisers" — skilled CCTV operators — instead. We have had generati…

Getting political here a bit, but: > We have had generations of terror threats to and attacks on our railway system, trains, railway stations. (And the most long-term and persistent of those threats was Irish republican terrorism bankrolled by Americans, for that matter) Did it ever cross Britain's mind that the whole IRA debacle is of its own doing? Can't you just leave Ireland for good and let them be?

I assume you're also of the view that 9/11 was entirely the USA's fault, and it deserved it?

And on that topic, most of the terrorism in recent times is Islamic. IRA intercepts are down to about 5/year nowadays.

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Post by [deleted] »

crimsoneer wrote: post #365
blini-kot wrote: post #291

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To add: same happened in russia around 2018 on a couple of subway stations in St.-Pete and in moscow at first the result? faster tracking and arrests of people for checks who were deemed too problematic + (i.e. with anti-war protests in 2022) the cameras were used to track or threat tracking almost everyone who protested, and lowering the load on the police by coming to the dwellings afterwards in the next several da…

It's worth pointing out this is specifically not mass tracking. LFR scans faces against an existing database of outstanding wanted suspects. If a match is made, it alerts the officers who are manning the camera there and then. It doesn't store anything that wasn't a match.

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Post by tim333 »

slopinthebag wrote: post #269
tim333 wrote: post #178

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They couldn't because the majority in the north wanted to be part on the UK, and democracy.

And a majority of the south (a far greater majority btw) wanted out.

I was thinking or the period of terrorism in London, around the 1970s/80s when the south was independent.

Issues between England and Ireland go back along way, to at least the 1169 invasion.

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Post by tremon »

sandblast wrote: post #478
OJFord wrote: post #308

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I scan and bag while I shop, so self-checkout is just paying. It's barely a shift of work from cashier to me, because I have to pick things up and place them in my bag/basket/trolley anyway, scanning them as I do is barely an increase in work.

You describe mobile handheld scanners that are a form of self-checkout in some stores, but not the norm. Most of the commenters here probably associate self-checkout with a station with touchscreen, scanner and bagging area.

I only use the mobile handheld scanner version. If someone has to go through all my items and scan them at the terminal, it's not going to be me; store clerks can do that much faster than I can.

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Post by jonfromsf »

slopinthebag wrote: post #267
gambiting wrote: post #185

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And the thing that absolutely fucks me off about all of this, is that we don't even get a lawful society in exchange for all of this. On one hand, there's no privacy anywhere. On the other - have your car stolen or a bike? House broken into? Phone snatched out of your hands? Good luck getting anyone to care about this in the slightest. You'd think with all the surveillance tech we'd be living in a nightmare panoptico…

It's called anarchy-tyranny, where the government fails to enforce basic laws and keep people safe from real criminals (anarchy), but instead uses its power to tightly control, tax, and punish ordinary, law-abiding citizens (tyranny). There are various conspiratorial theories for why this happens but I think the simplest explanation is that an ineffective government cannot deal with criminals and goes after the easie…

Yes. Anacho-tyranny sounds very conspiratorial, but if you think from the police perspective, it is 1000X times easier to enforce fines and codes on the middle class and shopkeepers then it is to arrest criminals. Having an effective police force means cracking that motivation problem, and it's a sign of a well-aligned and well-functioning society. We aren't one.

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Post by thenthenthen »

lionkor wrote: post #401
thenthenthen wrote: post #344

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Prosperity?

What point are you making? Can you elaborate?

I live in China for the past 4 years and I have not have been prosperous, nor my friends, on the contrarie. Safe yes. That said, I used to live way below the poverty line in western europe before, and well..still bit it is a bit higher, so yeah maybe prosperity is true

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Post by WalterBright »

america_sux wrote: post #441
WalterBright wrote: post #311

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> Not all machines lead to increase in the standard of living I did not say "all" machines. If I had meant "all" I would have written "all". That's what the word "all" is for. Consider: "people like ice cream" Riposte: "not everybody likes ice cream" I see this kind of response over and over here. It's cliched and irrelevant.

It was implied. Why else would you use that argument in responding to ridgeguy's comment about using human-run checkout lines? What machines would you point to as making the world worse? In any case, since it bothers you so, you explained the situation yourself: "The self-checkout is there because it is cheaper than a cashier." It's an error to equate "cheaper" to "increase in standard of living" because the people b…

> It was implied.

No, it was not. When you inserted "all" you knew it was not implied.

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Post by WalterBright »

al_borland wrote: post #481
artisinal wrote: post #314

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I didn’t know the cameras did that! Very dystopian. Smart that the guy found a bypass.

Some of it is just the camera, some of it is the camera + scale. The bagging area is a big scale to make sure stuff going in the bagging area was scanned. If the weight goes up without anything being scanned, or with the wrong weight, it will raise the alarm. I’ve run into a couple situations where I was buying something light, like a greeting card, and the scale didn’t pick it up and was preventing me from moving on…

The scale at the store I shop at is sensitive enough to detect a paper bag.
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