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OpenAI's new device will be hockey puck-sized and cost over $300

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Re: OpenAI's new device will be hockey puck-sized and cost over $300

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Post by rufasterisco »

sajithdilshan wrote: post #5

I wonder what exact features this would provide that the mobile app cannot. I don’t wanna carry another device with me all the time

Following the same reasoning, smartwatches would have been a failure. They might be niche, but sales prove there is a market to explore/deepen.

Overall, openAI can sit on a mountain of money and bet mobile phones are the final form factor for human/AI interaction, as they have been for human/internet.

Or deploy some of that money and figure out whether that is true.

It’s also about creating an environment for those features to emerge, without being constrained by someone else platform, that could natively embed it at any time, and (probably more important) app marketplaces.

A signal for opportunity is also given by Apple’s inability to give their users Siri and Google sitting on transformers while OpenAI grabs the chatbot marketplace.

Also, anything they build does not cannibalize their other product lines.

There are lots of incentives for them to try out and figure out features on the fly, which arguably also happened with the IPhone (app store).

Re: OpenAI's new device will be hockey puck-sized and cost over $300

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Post by dmarcos »

rufasterisco wrote: post #51
sajithdilshan wrote: post #5

I wonder what exact features this would provide that the mobile app cannot. I don’t wanna carry another device with me all the time

Following the same reasoning, smartwatches would have been a failure. They might be niche, but sales prove there is a market to explore/deepen. Overall, openAI can sit on a mountain of money and bet mobile phones are the final form factor for human/AI interaction, as they have been for human/internet. Or deploy some of that money and figure out whether that is true. It’s also about creating an environment for those f…

People were already wearing watches along smartphones. Smartwatches didn’t need a new user habit formation.

You can definitely create new habits (like people wearing ear buds for hours a day) but need a strong thesis and cost-benefit analysis that is net positive when considering alternatives.

Re: OpenAI's new device will be hockey puck-sized and cost over $300

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Post by jaccola »

rawgabbit wrote: post #30
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #4

Isn't this a plateaued market? Amazon, Google, and Apple are already entrenched in the space. It's not like any of them have toxic brands like Oracle where everyone is dying to free themselves. Most people are happy with their products. This seems like a tough move...

The other article pitched it as an "AI Companion". I can see the market already; virtual girlfriends or virtual friends for the homebound. People will buy a "Companion subscription" that will allow them to talk their friend all day. It will be very successful. I feel bad for any human moderators that will have to wade through these conversations.

But why can’t this exist on a smartphone? A huge existing install base and, in an iPhone at least, compute capability that will surely far exceed anything that OpenAI can produce.

Re: OpenAI's new device will be hockey puck-sized and cost over $300

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Post by rawgabbit »

jaccola wrote: post #53
rawgabbit wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other article pitched it as an "AI Companion". I can see the market already; virtual girlfriends or virtual friends for the homebound. People will buy a "Companion subscription" that will allow them to talk their friend all day. It will be very successful. I feel bad for any human moderators that will have to wade through these conversations.

But why can’t this exist on a smartphone? A huge existing install base and, in an iPhone at least, compute capability that will surely far exceed anything that OpenAI can produce.

I would think it is pesky Apple permissions in the way. OpenAI with camera and microphone will literally suck up all your data without Apple being the middle man.

By starting this line of devices I can Open Ai working to create Joi the virtual girlfriend from Bladerunner 2049. https://youtu.be/y-a3YshkPRc

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Post by awestroke »

ctkhn wrote: post #23

This seems like a more expensive version of the rabbit or friend ai pins. What is going to differentiate this above any of (1) my phone that can use any AI provider and I can already carry around the home, (2) a set of smart speakers that can talk to an AI provider like google home/homepod/alexa, or (3) my computer?

1. You can't just press a button on your phone to instantly start an ai voice conversation

2. You can't bring your smart speakers with you everywhere, also same as 1

3. See 1 and 2

Re: OpenAI's new device will be hockey puck-sized and cost over $300

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Post by rocmcd »

thewebguyd wrote: post #21
sajithdilshan wrote: post #5

I wonder what exact features this would provide that the mobile app cannot. I don’t wanna carry another device with me all the time

> I don’t wanna carry another device with me all the time And that's why this (and any other stand alone "AI device") is doomed to fail. We solved this problem already in 2007. "An iPod. A phone. An internet communicator. Are you getting it? These are not three separate devices." The industry has been chasing that high ever since, failing to stop and consider that maybe the smartphone is effectively peak consumer tec…

I find it ironic that between the money they have raised, the talent they have in-house, and the quasi-super intelligence they have at their disposal, you would think they could have just created their own brand of smartphone (or done something like One Plus / Nothing).

Re: OpenAI's new device will be hockey puck-sized and cost over $300

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Post by yomismoaqui »

rawgabbit wrote: post #54
jaccola wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why can’t this exist on a smartphone? A huge existing install base and, in an iPhone at least, compute capability that will surely far exceed anything that OpenAI can produce.

I would think it is pesky Apple permissions in the way. OpenAI with camera and microphone will literally suck up all your data without Apple being the middle man. By starting this line of devices I can Open Ai working to create Joi the virtual girlfriend from Bladerunner 2049. https://youtu.be/y-a3YshkPRc

For a moment I read "Jony the virtual girlfriend" and visualized a smiley avatar of Mr Ive greeting you when coming home.

Re: OpenAI's new device will be hockey puck-sized and cost over $300

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Post by diggernet »

awestroke wrote: post #55
ctkhn wrote: post #23

This seems like a more expensive version of the rabbit or friend ai pins. What is going to differentiate this above any of (1) my phone that can use any AI provider and I can already carry around the home, (2) a set of smart speakers that can talk to an AI provider like google home/homepod/alexa, or (3) my computer?

1. You can't just press a button on your phone to instantly start an ai voice conversation 2. You can't bring your smart speakers with you everywhere, also same as 1 3. See 1 and 2

Yes you can. Many phones have a dedicated "assistant" button now that you can assign to your AI assistant app.
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