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Post by inigyou »

account42 wrote: post #447
inigyou wrote: post #437

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Lucy Connolly is the archetypal case. Tell me in your own words what Lucy did and whether she should have been punished. Make sure to quote the entire tweet.

Going by the imaged tweet in https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1925826687679279491 she expressed dissatisfaction with government immigration policies and advocated for vigilante action to compensate for perceived failures of the government including the destruction of housing facilities. The framing also makes it clear that the statement was an emotional response to very real crimes that have been committed and which…

Quote the entire tweet.

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Post by inigyou »

codedokode wrote: post #446
inigyou wrote: post #415

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In France and Germany it's illegal to wear a mask in public. If it's not already in the UK, I'm sure it soon will be.

What about Muslim clothes that cover the face entirely?

They are illegal.

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Post by ben_w »

_fw wrote: post #53

It’s a moot point. I’m saddened at the invasion of privacy and the intrusion on an individual’s civil liberties, but anonymous travel on the London Underground died when they made bank cards and contactless the primary way to get through the barriers. I’m not saying that “this doesn’t matter because it’s slightly worse than before”. I’m saying the frog has been boiling for a long time. I don’t want people being surpr…

Yes but also no.

On the one hand, yes: the UK is demonstrably "this is fine" when it comes to mass surveillance.

On the other: the government is almost pathologically bad at joined-up thinking.

To illustrate the latter: I have been sent exactly one speeding ticket. It was for a car I had sold 6 months previous to the offence. The police force was somehow unaware of this.

> Your ISP proactively shares your web history with the state.

Kinda, it's domain-name level, which is again an illustration of the lack of understanding the government has; they were even told this during the public comment phase of the Investigatory Powers Act 2016, how their own example of "perhaps a teen goes missing and we can see they went on twitter and look on their account" has the reality of "no you idiots [I'm paraphrasing], their phone is constantly talking to twitter regardless of if they're using it or not, or even still alive or not".

On the other hand, those records are worse than being shared with the state, they can be read at any time by a long list of state entities without anyone even needing a warrant. The Welsh Ambulance service being able to do this without needing warrant is one of the big parts of why I left the UK (the other being Brexit, of course).

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

netsharc wrote: post #244
gambiting wrote: post #185

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And the thing that absolutely fucks me off about all of this, is that we don't even get a lawful society in exchange for all of this. On one hand, there's no privacy anywhere. On the other - have your car stolen or a bike? House broken into? Phone snatched out of your hands? Good luck getting anyone to care about this in the slightest. You'd think with all the surveillance tech we'd be living in a nightmare panoptico…

You can probably thank Thatcher and the cabal of idiots dumber than lettuce that is the Tory party. Squeeze the poor, squeeze the state budget that even the police force is under-resourced, give the money to their buddies. E.g. with North Sea oil: https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/214768/economics/norway-u... Norway is rich and socialist. I was there a while ago and their billboards had ads from their national refug…

The problem with the UK is that the rulers are far more criminal than the people.

They set out to rob the nation's wealth in the late 70s, and they largely succeeded.

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Post by Cider9986 »

rtpg wrote: post #333

Like 10 years ago I realized that facial recognition research was basically on the same level as weapons research, if not worse. So many nefarious usages. Every researcher and product designer who leaned into this just has helped speedrun the world into a nasty place. But I guess I don’t have to type my passcode into my phone anymore!

>I don’t have to type my passcode into my phone anymore!

FaceID is completely on device and the biometrics can't be extracted even with physical access. Very different from facial recognition in this context.

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Post by dTal »

batrat wrote: post #345

I don't mind it. I work in the same field and people don't want to work in government institutions anymore, there are less and less kids in police/military schools. Cameras allow officers to stop patrolling and do more preventive work, focus on hard cases, etc. In a relative small city we manage 500+ cameras and more are added every day. The problem is storage and finding people to monitor them. My only issue is gett…

So you're okay with more and more power held by fewer and fewer people, but balk at all the power held by one person. Where is the line, how will you recognize it, and having done so how will you arrest the trend?

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Post by red_admiral »

WalterBright wrote: post #230
Aeolun wrote: post #228

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So maybe the problem is that you shouldn’t have self checkout if you cannot do it without immediately being stolen from?

The self-checkout is there because it is cheaper than a cashier.

Even after taking a higher percentage of shoplifting into account.

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Post by account42 »

foldr wrote: post #131
noman-land wrote: post #98

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The easiest way to stop protests is to listen to your constituents and implement the changes they desire. That's what a representative democracy is.

I don’t have a problem with protests, but clearly there’s no one set of laws or policies that will be agreeable to everyone. Think fox hunting, abortion, trans rights, etc. etc. There will always be protests in a representative democracy.

Yes but that the government should be doing anything about those protests doesn't follow. And disagreements shouldn't always need to lead to protests either - that's just the next step when others are not willing to listen to your concerns on their terms.

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Post by red_admiral »

matwood wrote: post #337
ifwinterco wrote: post #309

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Yes actual crack is pretty popular among that demographic, the UK has a very good relatively low cost supply of cocaine. The classic combo is Afghan buj + crack but synthetic opioids are starting to make an appearance now the CIA isn’t producing heroin anymore. It’s nowhere near as bad as the west coast of the US obviously, that’s a whole other level. I would normally use a different word than crackhead but I thought…

Interesting. I always thought it was opioids that were the main problem in Europe.

Wastewater analysis shows cocaine is consumed massively ... in the financial district of London.

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Post by red_admiral »

jjav wrote: post #359
ChocolateGod wrote: post #352

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> Your ISP proactively shares your web history with the state. Your ISP doesn't even know your web history outside of the domain name if they use SNI sniffing for content blocking. > Roadside CCTV captures your registration plate and tracks your vehicle across the country. I don't see the problem on this one. Roads are owned by the government.

> Roads are owned by the government. Roads are owned by the people. The government (should) be the servants of the interests of the people.

They are owned by the Crown, I think. That doesn't contradict your point.
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