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Post by america_sux »

WalterBright wrote: post #311
america_sux wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all machines lead to increase in the standard of living, and many things that would improve the standard of living are not done. At some point the argument you have made becomes irrelevant and cliched.

> Not all machines lead to increase in the standard of living I did not say "all" machines. If I had meant "all" I would have written "all". That's what the word "all" is for. Consider: "people like ice cream" Riposte: "not everybody likes ice cream" I see this kind of response over and over here. It's cliched and irrelevant.

It was implied. Why else would you use that argument in responding to ridgeguy's comment about using human-run checkout lines? What machines would you point to as making the world worse?

In any case, since it bothers you so, you explained the situation yourself: "The self-checkout is there because it is cheaper than a cashier."

It's an error to equate "cheaper" to "increase in standard of living" because the people benefiting from the reduction in cost are usually not the entirety of the community, and it's unfortunate that someone of your caliber accepts such lazy thinking.

Over the last twenty years, automation has increased but the standard of living has gotten worse.

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Post by inigyou »

0sdi wrote: post #426
inigyou wrote: post #415

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In France and Germany it's illegal to wear a mask in public. If it's not already in the UK, I'm sure it soon will be.

does this include Respiratory protection masks? The ones we just were pressured to always wear in public.

Yes, they're illegal but the law is only enforced selectively.

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Post by account42 »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #143
samudrijan wrote: post #141

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So flash bang grenades to peaceful protesters skulls is okay? Shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protesters eyes is okay?

None of what they said could logically lead to that conclusion.

These are the techniques police have been using to suppress protests without mass surveillance.

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Post by codedokode »

charcircuit wrote: post #407
alt227 wrote: post #394

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> Being an anonymous citizen in the UK has been an impossibility for at least 20 years. Its still just about possible in rural areas as long you dont go into cities or on motorways. When they outlaw cash that will be the nail in the coffin.

Documenting birth is legally required since the 1800s and gets sent to a national index. The state will have a name associated with them since birth making them unable to be anonymous.

So that you cannot avoid paying taxes and going to the war when the government decides so.

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Post by account42 »

stronglikedan wrote: post #156
samudrijan wrote: post #141

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So flash bang grenades to peaceful protesters skulls is okay? Shooting rubber bullets at peaceful protesters eyes is okay?

As usual, it depends. "Peaceful" is a very subjective term. Like the mostly peaceful but fiery protests in Wisconsin.

And what it depends on is mainly which side "won" in the end and gets to write the history.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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Post by codedokode »

inigyou wrote: post #415
codedokode wrote: post #410

I noticed that in my country delivery couriers on e-bikes sometimes cover their face completely, with a balaclava and a ski mask. They ride at high speeds around pedestrians, break all traffic rules and obviously they prefer to opt out from facial recognition. Maybe we should start wearing masks in public too. There is no upsides in going around with an open face.

In France and Germany it's illegal to wear a mask in public. If it's not already in the UK, I'm sure it soon will be.

What about Muslim clothes that cover the face entirely?

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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Post by account42 »

inigyou wrote: post #437
account42 wrote: post #432

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I wonder when the catch all "death threats" ever became a commonly accepted excuse for locking people up. That should be reserved for cases where people are a threat to others, which is only tangentially related to the direct statements they have made.

Lucy Connolly is the archetypal case. Tell me in your own words what Lucy did and whether she should have been punished. Make sure to quote the entire tweet.

Going by the imaged tweet in https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1925826687679279491 she expressed dissatisfaction with government immigration policies and advocated for vigilante action to compensate for perceived failures of the government including the destruction of housing facilities. The framing also makes it clear that the statement was an emotional response to very real crimes that have been committed and which to this day have not been adequately addressed by the government. Meanwhile she made only a vague call to action without any concrete plan that could lead anyone without an agenda to believe that she would be following through with it. Essentially, she committed barely more than a thought crime. If you think that this is the kind of person that people who have demonstrated their willingness and ability to commit violent crimes should be released to make prison space for then you are absolutely bonkers.

I guarantee you that exactly the same statement made about other groups would not even lead to an investigation.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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Post by ceuk »

inigyou wrote: post #423
ceuk wrote: post #349

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> Your ISP proactively shares your web history with the state. How so? I'm with AAISP and I'd be very surprised if they were doing this. What are you referring to here?

Good choice, but most other people are using capitalismslop ISPs that maximize value extraction. I hear prices are a bit higher at A&A.

Yeah bit dearer but it's only ~£55 a month and feels like money well spent. They're an awesome company

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Post by SettembreNero »

codedokode wrote: post #446
inigyou wrote: post #415

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In France and Germany it's illegal to wear a mask in public. If it's not already in the UK, I'm sure it soon will be.

What about Muslim clothes that cover the face entirely?

...they are banned as well?

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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Post by codedokode »

WalterBright wrote: post #221
windowliker wrote: post #74

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Oyster is still anonymous, in the sense that no details are required to buy a card, and it can be topped up using cash. The cards can be returned or disposed of as necessary. But as you say, it knows your movements at least in so far as your entry and exit point in the system, with a timestamp, though you can use a separate card for each if you don't mind paying the full fare that gets charged when a journey is 'inco…

Self-checkout at the grocery store is a major vector for shoplifting. That's why the cameras are there. If I was running such a store, I wouldn't want to spend the money on those cameras. But alas, the money is well spent in stopping thieves. I was talking to one of the staff in a grocery store a while ago. He said the corporate auditors came in one day and decided to review the security cams. The result was half the…

Not only there are cameras, but the machines typically accept only cards and not cash (except for one supermarket chain in my city) so I never use self-checkout.
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