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Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by grvdrm »

zhoBEENG wrote: post #2

Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

Traversing life without a cell phone is a fun experiment. Here and there I forget mine and spend a day without the distraction - glorious way to spend time.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by loeg »

dingocat wrote: post #37
zhoBEENG wrote: post #2

Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

> Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration of the surveillance apparatus. This is a perfect example of the revealed-preference fallacy. The use of providers like Meta does not reflect a well-informed, freely chosen preference. Meta spends a ton of money to squash competition, remove viable alternat…

> This is a perfect example of the revealed-preference fallacy.

The fallacy here is that you think people should have difference preferences than they actually do. "People disagree with me? They must be ill-informed."

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by NooneAtAll3 »

fn-mote wrote: post #20
NooneAtAll3 wrote: post #11

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the main solution is the same as with many other problems - education on what's wrong + making the right way as easy as possible it's easy to fall into complain hole, as that seems to fulfill the 1st part but 2nd part is as much or even more valuable

> making the right way as easy as possible I wish I knew what you were talking about here. It seems like the easy way would be to forbid the collection of this data… but that is obviously not happening, so I need a different part 2.

consider what GP complained about - everyone carrying phones that data is collected from/by, and useing Meta products

making easier the alternatives to phone tracking means promoting life outside phones, promoting cellphones/OSes that don't spy on you and explaining ways to minimize tracking (like disabling apps' access to the internet)

making easier the alternatives to Meta means promoting competitors, promoting communication/image/information channels outside Meta, promoting life outside Meta products

defeatism is even worse than grumbles - it fulfills neither of the goals

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by BirAdam »

ryu2k2 wrote: post #26
zhoBEENG wrote: post #2

Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

People wouldn't want this if they were adequately educated.

So much this. When my son turned 12, I told him how some of the various social media sites and smart technologies work, and he’s avoided social media altogether ever since (he’s now an adult). He always uses ad blockers and content filters, and he generally made good decisions around phone use, and other tech use from a privacy respecting perspective.

Prior to this discussion, he was eager to be on social media apps because other kids his age were on them. People respond to knowledge about these topics, but there isn’t a mainstream popular individual talking about it. Everyone is so silo’d, it would be quite difficult to reach people, and depending upon the political leanings of such a person, half the population would reactively go the opposite direction… on what really shouldn’t be partisan.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by zhoBEENG »

tdeck wrote: post #38
zhoBEENG wrote: post #34

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Genuinely. Thinking back on it now, the only times I notice it is in some restaurants that don’t have paper menus out by default. I need to ask for one, which feels very odd and kind of awkward. This is the only instance I can think of.

What happens when you're meeting up with someone? With the folks I know who don't have a phone, this is always a real pain point because they don't have a way to communicate or receive changes of plans, "I'm going to be late", etc...

We agree on when to meet and where, and then we both actually show up. The whole last-minute plan changing thing is a pretty recent phenomenon, I believe.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by jagged-chisel »

fragmede wrote: post #16
jareklupinski wrote: post #8

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i get a little thrill knowing im that important to someone :)

Right? There are 8 billion humans on those planet. You are 0.0000000125% of humanity. No one outside your family and friends even knows you, nevermind gives a shit about you, unless you stick out in some way. If GP wants to take a tour of my GitHub or my blog and send me a thoughtful email, I'd be delighted!

How about when that thoughtful email becomes a visit from law enforcement because your projects don’t align with the current administration’s views? When something you said offers support for anyone other than The Party’s chosen ethnic group?

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by cluckindan »

zhoBEENG wrote: post #2

Obama was promoting The Age of Surveillance Capitalism over seven years ago now. Industry insiders have known all this since 1999. Yet almost every single person I know carries a cellphone and drives a car with telemetry, things that are entirely optional. Most humans use Meta products regularly; also optional. For all the feigned outrage, people want this, and will work hard every day to pay for the next iteration o…

5G edge devices already have support for mmWave and beamforming. The ability to track the micromovements of a person’s trachea as they think in words (”internal monologue”) and reconstruct their thoughts from movement data reduces to a software problem: the hardware is there and the algorithms have been established in literature.

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by jrmg »

zhoBEENG wrote: post #25
tdeck wrote: post #23

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It's hard for me to take this perspective seriously when you describe a cellphone as "entirely optional". Our society is structured around the assumption that you'll have not just a cellphone, but a smartphone. Without acknowledging that, how can we have a realistic discussion? Many businesses require you to use a smartphone in some way. Some government services also require one. Before cellphones, there were payphon…

I do not carry a cellphone. I am employed and live in a major city. I never think about not having one. I know multiple other people, also employed, living both rurally and in cities, who do not carry cellphones. It is entirely optional.

So many stores and (all?) banks require two-factor login now, where an SMS sent to a phone is the second factor. How do you cope with this?

Re: Everything you do is being recorded

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Post by satvikpendem »

Razengan wrote: post #14
antics9 wrote: post #6

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No. Why should I find you repulsive? You might find something I wrote interesting. Then whatever public info there is on me helps you to get to know me a bit better. You may stop there and forget about me, or you may try to reach out. There is nothing wrong about that.

> Why should I find you repulsive? Me googling your shit might lead to your real name, your family photos etc Just because it's all public doesn't mean you want the cashier from the supermarket following you around to your family picnic or just because you like to let the sunlight in doesn't mean you want random pedestrians peering in through your windows.. I can't believe this needs to be spelled out here: "Public"…

Don't put on the Internet what you don't want found as it's always and forever public, I thought everyone knew the first rule.
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