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Post by crimsoneer »

constantius wrote: post #153
dofm wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think your take might be based on myth and dramatisation too, You are arguing that terrorist attacks on public transport in the UK are mythical or dramatised? > I invite you to check how the English government is reacting to independentist movements in Scotland and Ireland post-Brexit if you think they're happy to let people be. This is just a very weird sentence to read; surprised it wasn't weird to write.

> You are arguing that terrorist attacks on public transport in the UK are mythical or dramatised? What kind of question is that? Did I ask you if you're calling cameras in the UK mythical? Same as what you said about London, I'm arguing you're dramatising the dire threat of terrorism on the good people sitting in the tube. In a thread where we're discussing the systematically verified risks of a slippery slope of su…

Those of us who lived in London in the 90s very actively remember the IRA bombs and the relatively regular having to shelter in place, evacuate etc.

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Post by nehal3m »

WalterBright wrote: post #282
ridgeguy wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I use the human-run checkout lines. I want to keep the humans employed.

Our high standard of living is due to machines doing the work rather than humans.

Humans are still doing the work, except now it’s you instead of someone earning a wage. You do it for free!

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Post by lexicality »

modo_mario wrote: post #357
rob74 wrote: post #301

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"Wrong opinions" as in death threats and similar light-hearted stuff?

I've seen too many that didn't post targeted death threats. Also of people who posted stuff that could be interpreted as vague calls to action when riots were happening. It becomes notewhorty tho that those people of note making a facebook posts got punished harder than the average rioter and reprisal seems to disproportionately target action that establishment might feel threathened by. From my experience it's easy…

On the one hand, I hate the expansion of authoritarian power by the state.

On the other, I do think that we should put people in prison for posting on facebook. That way I won't have to keep seeing my crazy uncle at family gatherings!

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Post by xorcist »

_fw wrote: post #53

It’s a moot point. I’m saddened at the invasion of privacy and the intrusion on an individual’s civil liberties, but anonymous travel on the London Underground died when they made bank cards and contactless the primary way to get through the barriers. I’m not saying that “this doesn’t matter because it’s slightly worse than before”. I’m saying the frog has been boiling for a long time. I don’t want people being surpr…

> Your ISP proactively shares your web history with the state

I have no idea what you are referring to here but that is most certainly not the case in most democratic countries. Where common carrier or telecom immunity is a thing they do not want to know more than they are legally obliged to know.

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Post by KaiserPro »

xorcist wrote: post #375
_fw wrote: post #53

It’s a moot point. I’m saddened at the invasion of privacy and the intrusion on an individual’s civil liberties, but anonymous travel on the London Underground died when they made bank cards and contactless the primary way to get through the barriers. I’m not saying that “this doesn’t matter because it’s slightly worse than before”. I’m saying the frog has been boiling for a long time. I don’t want people being surpr…

> Your ISP proactively shares your web history with the state I have no idea what you are referring to here but that is most certainly not the case in most democratic countries. Where common carrier or telecom immunity is a thing they do not want to know more than they are legally obliged to know.

> but that is most certainly not the case

Indeed, this is not the case in the UK. Its too fucking expensive, and the paper work to approve that is too fucking hard. Most of the time the state will request search logs from google instead. its far cheaper and much higher signal to noise.

Also "intercept" evidence is inadmissible in court, so its not all that useful for convicting people.

Don't get me wrong, the UK like the USA has the ability to do all of this. But its used for specific actions (ie find a bomb-y needle in a haystack) where direct action is required.

AS I said, intercepted evidence won't convict someone here because it can't be used as evidence. so if they see that your messaging someone about planning some attrocity, you'll have to be caught in the act of planning, or a physical device with the messages have to be found.

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Post by asdewqqwer »

Levitating wrote: post #60

I don't see how this is any different from how traffic cameras are used. Hot take, but as long as the systems aren't abused by law enforcement I don't see the big deal.

Hot take, but as long as human dose not need to eat food half of the political problem will be solved.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

dofm wrote: post #101
_fw wrote: post #61

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You WILL be charged for not giving the PIN to your phone in an investigation. It’s a strict liability offence which means there’s no legal defence. The only realistic protection here is a “decoy” partition, a partition that provides access to a separate installation of the OS. That gives the device owner plausible deniability that their real system even exists.

> You WILL be charged for not giving the PIN to your phone in an investigation. It’s a strict liability offence which means there’s no legal defence. Again, no, not just "in an investigation". It has to be an investigation that has reached the point where they have gone to a judge and got permission to serve written notice. The judge will ask them if there is a necessary and proportionate reason. There is then a time…

It doesn't make it OK if a judge says you have to incriminate yourself or face jail time for not doing so. So either way you're screwed if it gets to that.

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Post by psd1 »

WalterBright wrote: post #258
windowliker wrote: post #257

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>I was idly thinking about something else and put an item in my bag without scanning it. A likely excuse!!

Fortunately, I am a regular customer and they know me.

Of course they know you, they wrote the system with your tools ;-P

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

dofm wrote: post #116
Schiendelman wrote: post #105

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Tell us more! I don't know anything about it either. Couldn't the UK have ceded it to Ireland? Or would the problems just have gone another direction?

There are two largely different concepts/epochs separated by more than 40 years. The negotiations and partition of Ireland and the establishment of Northern Ireland as a self-governing province (rather than being governed from Britain): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_Ireland And then the Troubles, which were a sectarian conflict between Catholics and Protestants within Northern Ireland itself, that stemme…

This does not answer my original question: why doesn't Britain give the north of Ireland back to the Irish? Why does it cling to it? Didn't Britain cause enough suffering for the Irish already?
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