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U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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To those saying this is soft: https://registrar.mit.edu/classes-grades-evaluations/grades/... If you want to say MIT is soft. Feel free.

Michigan also dropped their mandate for ACT / SAT to obtain admission. So, yes, I would say that's pretty broken. Combined with systematic grade inflation American universities as a whole are removing any real feedback about student preparation, level of effort, or ability.

ACT/SAT is still needed for merit based scholarships though so if you fall in the income bracket between homeless and owning your own island those tests are very very important.

Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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The coddling is a big problem these days, and this focus on mental health is itself unhealthy. The assessment that "they would otherwise do well" is speculative, at best.

> this focus on mental health is itself unhealthy. Yes. We should ignore things like school shootings, which have long been described as the result of mental health issues. Ignore PTSD. Soldiers can just pull themselves up by their bootstraps. By all means, ignore the mental health of a rape victim or a child abuse victim. They can just tough it out. Clearly, that's the better strategy. Oh, and you've been working in…

You need to do some reading:

"Is raising mental health awareness causing more harm than good?", https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/analyst-comment/is-raisi...

"Are We Overdoing Mental Health Awareness?", https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/silicon-psyche/20250...

Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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Starting your first semester in college shouldn't feel like "being thrown in the deep end". You just spent 4 years of high school preparing for it! But I agree that kids are awfully unprepared for the real world, so maybe coddling kids into early adulthood is unfortunately necessary? The whole situation makes me very sad.

You don't actually have any idea how different high school and college are, do you? Unless the kid went to boarding school, the environmental change is immense.

I agree that the environmental change is immense and that it's stressful.

Do I think a consequence free first semester is needed to address that? No..

Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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15% seems extremely low for a non-ivy.

The longer I live, the less I'm impressed by fancy schools. They don't make great labor. They are normal labor with egos until the age of ~25. Then they become normal labor without egos as the system killed their ego. I really expected some secret sauce in Ivys/UoM, and nope. Electrical Engineers there didn't know how to figure out mass of a part given density(based on material) and volume.

"I really expected some secret sauce in Ivys/UoM, and nope."

The secret sauce seems to be that many come from money, which means they have connections.

Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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we wake up at 7, prep the kids to school, they walk there alone then, we have coffee together, then I drive to the office by usually 9:30. have a proper lunch break with colleagues, then in the office until 6pm or so, then drive home, have dinner, put the kids in bed by 8, then we can watch a movie/do hobbies/etc. while I work, my wife can do the shopping and take care of other household chores if needed.

No one my age can afford a stay at home wife

this is mostly the norm in Switzerland in my social circle for families with children - husband works in tech, mom stays home until all the kids are old that they don't need mom around so much and/or you don't need to spend a fortune on them.

school launch + supervision for the 11:30 - 13:30 period is ~42 USD per day per kid, kita (pre-kindergarten) is easily ~3100 USD/month or more per kid. (I've put the numbers here in USD as most of the audience is outside of Switzerland for easier comparability), so for a lot of families, if mom works, mom's salary is spent on these costs.

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What's less certain about modern environments compared to past ones?

I definitely didn't have to wonder if my career choice would be invalidated by AI by the time I graduate.

When I was in a CS program in the US in 2005 I heard from dozens of people as well as media pundits that it's a bad choice because all the tech jobs would be outsourced to india.

Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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The University of Michigan has around a 15% acceptance rate. How is it possible that they’re letting in kids who aren’t ready to do college level work? What are they selecting for?

The University I went to has like an 80% acceptance rate so it's not comparable, but I was surprised when I got into 400-level CS classes and there were people who didn't know how to program at all. Our professor assigned us to write a fast fourier transform, and when we had class next week apparently everyone claimed that it was too difficult so he changed the assignment to "find an implementation online and write a…

In almost any program, it is entirely possible to navigate your degree so that you are allowed to come away with a high GPA but knowing largely nothing useful. There's enough burned out adjuncts, overworked pre-tenure profs, and coasting/research-oriented tenured profs that with some help from upperclassmen and the ability to detect lax professors, that you can manage to get through largely unscathed by learning. Typically to your chagrin/despair as you then begin interviewing.

Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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My impression was NYU had a high(er?) acceptance rate. Not saying they are a bad school, since the people I know there are super sharp, but still.

The acceptance rate is sort of a weird criteria for NYU when you compare it to the other schools it is listed with. It is a very popular school so it gets more applicants than 3-4 of the other colleges it is listed with combined, it has a slightly higher rate than most of those schools. It also accepts more students than probably all of those schools. I went there it is a good school. I don't think most people would…

If you are using acceptance rates as a proxy for difficulty of schools in a given year, you need to adjust by desirability of location and perceived seriousness of degree programs.

And across time you have to adjust acceptance rates for the fact they are all way lower now because kids send out 2-3x as many apps.

A lot of kids even 20 years ago were applying to schools in NYC/Boston/DC on east coast because they wanted to be in NYC/Boston/DC. Many of my friends went to said schools for psychology/film/etc type programs at schools that as an engineering major were decidedly for me "safety schools". Many of these were 50% admit then and 10% admit now. I don't think they suddenly became as difficult as MIT.

Meanwhile many engineering schools (the types with Institute in the name) that were in cold rural boring areas had higher acceptance rates than my "safety schools" in Boston.

This trend has seemingly only accelerated. For example picking 3 schools in Boston to isolate just the difficulty feature:

* In 2005 MIT acceptance was ~16% vs 4% now (1/4).

* BC was ~30% vs 15% now (1/2).

* BU was ~68% vs 11% now (1/6).

So theres an argument that the harder the school the less dramatically its acceptance rate has compressed, while desirable good but not super hard schools (which have fluffy majors available) have had a larger effect.

Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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How old are you? Wife has been stay at home mom since 2006. And that was when I made $40k/yr.

30

my wife was stay at home when I was 30. doesn't change a thing. I earned much less then, and we had a different lifestyle (and less kids :-))

Re: U of Michigan drops first-semester grades to ‘curb mental health crisis’

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Soon the whole US academia reputation will go down the drain and the degrees we all worked so hard for will have no meaning. How to shoot oneself in the foot 101.

I honestly support the downfall of this system. The truly great and exceptional will continue to be such. Degrees are nothing more than a signal, and a weak one at that.

That may be intended as hyperbole.

If it is meant sincerely, it is the kind of idea that falls apart in the actual world - especially if someone wants to graduate with Honors in a degree program that requires higher maths.

That isn't to deny there is a lot of societal bullshit involving higher education, but that's true in many aspects of life.

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