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#352It’s a moot point. I’m saddened at the invasion of privacy and the intrusion on an individual’s civil liberties, but anonymous travel on the London Underground died when they made bank cards and contactless the primary way to get through the barriers. I’m not saying that “this doesn’t matter because it’s slightly worse than before”. I’m saying the frog has been boiling for a long time. I don’t want people being surpr…
> Your ISP proactively shares your web history with the state.
Your ISP doesn't even know your web history outside of the domain name if they use SNI sniffing for content blocking.
> Roadside CCTV captures your registration plate and tracks your vehicle across the country.
I don't see the problem on this one. Roads are owned by the government.
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, this about protecting the state from people that threaten it or its policies. I don't think it ever was about making us live in a safer city. Snatched your phone? Sorry mate. But some old lady better not be walking around with a tshirt that says "I support Palestine Action".
It's strange to me that in your bubble you think the police in the UK are mainly there to hassle the "Palestine" protestors and interrupt their peaceful "From the river to the sea" chants. I would say it's a lot more serious that they did nothing to stop the organized Pakistani child-rape gangs, out of fear it might offend people to even acknowledge it. Either way I can agree with you that it doesn't seem like the po…
> out of fear it might offend people to even acknowledge it.
this didnt happen btw
the grooming gangs have largely had white perpetrators and all investigations into the police found that they simply do not listen to women, specially those of working class.
Rotherdam where the big asian men case was found, it lasted 17 years and the police had been investigated twice and failed catastrophically both times. With severe reforms recommended and never implemented. And the fear of being racist had never come up.
The case of the grooming gangs gained attention in 2011. And in 2016 the ex chief of police AFTER being investigated and fired due to gross errors then said that he didnt do more because he was afraid of being called racist.
The subsequent report in 2020 from the conservative goverment had that line too, although it also had copy pasted lines from american far right think tanks.
It seems like a convinient excuse to the fact that the police have shown 0 interest in helping poor people in the country for decades, and have shown misogynistic and racist behaviour in every internal investigation ever done (including the 750 page one done after a cop ra ped and murdered Sarah Everrat)
But I guess decades of internal reviews, consistent problems highlighted and demands for police reform can all be ignored due to the convinient excuse of a fired imbecile who allowed hundreds of girls to be hurt under his watch. There was video evidence, he saw and was brought to a judge and ignored because he thought all girls from council states are basically whores. But I am sure he didnt stop it because the people doing it in his case were pakistani. The grooming gang in scotland that were all white must have been because the cops thought the gang might also be foreign? The school grooming gang in Nottingham which was a catholic school and the priests were just moved, those cops also feared that jesus was pakistani?
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#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
Self-checkout at the grocery store is a major vector for shoplifting. That's why the cameras are there. If I was running such a store, I wouldn't want to spend the money on those cameras. But alas, the money is well spent in stopping thieves. I was talking to one of the staff in a grocery store a while ago. He said the corporate auditors came in one day and decided to review the security cams. The result was half the…
But the cameras on the UK self-checkouts only point at your face. How does that stop anything other than casual opportunistic theft of low value items by inculcating some kind of pre-crime guilt feeling? Professional shoplifters (if that isn't an oxymoron) have much more subtle means to carry out their trade, or not as the case may be, depending on their target, usually carried out long before they reach any kind of…
> But the cameras on the UK self-checkouts only point at your face
Only the one that's shown on the screen. There are other cameras, including ones in the ceiling that look at the entire machine.
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wrote in another comment but basically yes. Also they can focus on other cases that require physical presence. No need to patrol the entire subway, put 100 police officers to just patrol, every station when you can have 2-3 guys watch the cameras and just 2-3 patrols ready for intervention.
Faster to solve, but by not patrolling haven't they given up on detterence?
Surely the deterrent is the possibility of being caught?
If you're more likely to be caught due to the surveillance, logic would dictate that it's the greater deterrent.
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#356I don't mind it. I work in the same field and people don't want to work in government institutions anymore, there are less and less kids in police/military schools. Cameras allow officers to stop patrolling and do more preventive work, focus on hard cases, etc. In a relative small city we manage 500+ cameras and more are added every day. The problem is storage and finding people to monitor them. My only issue is gett…
> My only issue is getting it in hands of some crazy dictator, but that is another story. That IS the story though. The kind of offences these cameras disuade pale in comparison with the risk of abuse of power infringed in the 99.999% of innocent people these cameras are pointed at suppose.
Most people don't grok the built-in threat. They only realize when inevitably they are in deep shit already, then all the 'how could we have known' empty phrases come to surface.
Every society gets what they deserve at the end (which doesn't mean every individual, thats why its optimal to live in society that has similar core values and moral 'height' to not be constantly depressed from fellow citizens and their decisions ie in voting).
Maintaining freedom requires continuous effort that can be unpleasant, not giving up privacies 1 by 1 to get deep into / maintain undisturbed comfort zone. Laziness is one way to kill freedom.
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#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
they already put more people in jail than any other country for expressing the wrong opinions on social networks
"Wrong opinions" as in death threats and similar light-hearted stuff?
I've seen too many that didn't post targeted death threats.
Also of people who posted stuff that could be interpreted as vague calls to action when riots were happening.
It becomes notewhorty tho that those people of note making a facebook posts got punished harder than the average rioter and reprisal seems to disproportionately target action that establishment might feel threathened by.
From my experience it's easy to find plenty similar or even more direct or more hatefull messages or calls to action regarding other places, events or more minor movements. But those come from minorities or involve movements with less momentum or movements abroad.
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#358The issue with all this surveillance is that it always ends up with suppression of dissent and silencing of opposition by abusing enforcement agencies. All such surveillance should start with 24-hour live video feed of private lives of all politicians... they carry immense power and control, and thus, warrant an equally powerful monitoring and scrutiny compared to common people.
This is never going to fly, and expecting it is waste of time and energy that could have been used more productively.
Think for a second or two about the type of folks who get, succeed and even thrive in politics over decades. Not your regular Joe, not a nice friendly balanced individual. No, biggest fuckups with massive daddy issues, school bullies, unresolvable inferiority complexes, sociopaths to the core, for whom the lure of money and power over others trumps everything else. This is the default, regardless of country. Look at politics through such optics and many things will start to make sense, also one would gain more realistic expectations from those folks.
Now, why would such people ever allow that, to expose all their deep flaws to whole world?
Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces
#359It’s a moot point. I’m saddened at the invasion of privacy and the intrusion on an individual’s civil liberties, but anonymous travel on the London Underground died when they made bank cards and contactless the primary way to get through the barriers. I’m not saying that “this doesn’t matter because it’s slightly worse than before”. I’m saying the frog has been boiling for a long time. I don’t want people being surpr…
> Your ISP proactively shares your web history with the state. Your ISP doesn't even know your web history outside of the domain name if they use SNI sniffing for content blocking. > Roadside CCTV captures your registration plate and tracks your vehicle across the country. I don't see the problem on this one. Roads are owned by the government.
> Roads are owned by the government.
Roads are owned by the people. The government (should) be the servants of the interests of the people.
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#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not the balaclava part I have an issue with, if you couldn't guess.
Oh. Are you one of those people that think that electric vehicles are stupid and that we should stick to gasoline engines like God intended?
Are you one of those people who think riding an electric motorcycle across our parks and on cycling paths is completely fine and just kids messing about? Or did you just miss that part of my comment?