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London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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post #304

> People who prefer not to enter the recognition zone will have alternative routes available and images of anyone not on the authorised database will be deleted immediately and permanently. So, massive invasion of privacy, but will only catch stupid criminals (and unsuspecting people who happen to have a strong resemblance with a criminal in the database?).

I think this refers to the trial.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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post #316

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Don't 99% of people just use face or fingerprint unlocking?

I wonder, if police wanted to search your phone, can they unlock with your fingerprint against your will?

No, in the UK they can't just take your finger and press it to your phone or point it at your face to unlock it. They can service you a notice demanding access to your phone, and not providing access is a crime.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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> 37% foreign criminals Why is this statistic relevant?

It's incorrect at a minimum. Reading the source provided: >76,869 British nationals were recorded in the prison population at the end of the first quarter of 2024. The remainder of the population was made up of 10,422 foreign nationals, making up 11.9% of the total population, with an additional 578 having no nationality recorded. It seems the 37% figure may have come from an entry in the table breaking down those no…

It sounds very believable too since here in Belgium it's 44% foreign nationals.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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post #76

The surveillance of China without the prosperity or safety. At least in China I can leave my bag or laptop out of sight for a moment, same cannot be said of my home city of London. What good is all of this when hard criminals are let out of prison after 6 months. Clown country.

Prosperity?

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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I don't mind it. I work in the same field and people don't want to work in government institutions anymore, there are less and less kids in police/military schools. Cameras allow officers to stop patrolling and do more preventive work, focus on hard cases, etc. In a relative small city we manage 500+ cameras and more are added every day. The problem is storage and finding people to monitor them. My only issue is getting it in hands of some crazy dictator, but that is another story.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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post #53

It’s a moot point. I’m saddened at the invasion of privacy and the intrusion on an individual’s civil liberties, but anonymous travel on the London Underground died when they made bank cards and contactless the primary way to get through the barriers. I’m not saying that “this doesn’t matter because it’s slightly worse than before”. I’m saying the frog has been boiling for a long time. I don’t want people being surpr…

Are police forces faster to solve or avoid crimes due to surveillance at least ?

I wrote in another comment but basically yes. Also they can focus on other cases that require physical presence. No need to patrol the entire subway, put 100 police officers to just patrol, every station when you can have 2-3 guys watch the cameras and just 2-3 patrols ready for intervention.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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post #345

I don't mind it. I work in the same field and people don't want to work in government institutions anymore, there are less and less kids in police/military schools. Cameras allow officers to stop patrolling and do more preventive work, focus on hard cases, etc. In a relative small city we manage 500+ cameras and more are added every day. The problem is storage and finding people to monitor them. My only issue is gett…

> My only issue is getting it in hands of some crazy dictator, but that is another story.

That IS the story though. The kind of offences these cameras disuade pale in comparison with the risk of abuse of power infringed in the 99.999% of innocent people these cameras are pointed at suppose.

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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post #53

It’s a moot point. I’m saddened at the invasion of privacy and the intrusion on an individual’s civil liberties, but anonymous travel on the London Underground died when they made bank cards and contactless the primary way to get through the barriers. I’m not saying that “this doesn’t matter because it’s slightly worse than before”. I’m saying the frog has been boiling for a long time. I don’t want people being surpr…

> Your ISP proactively shares your web history with the state.

How so? I'm with AAISP and I'd be very surprised if they were doing this. What are you referring to here?

Re: London Underground begins scanning passengers' faces

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post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are police forces faster to solve or avoid crimes due to surveillance at least ?

I wrote in another comment but basically yes. Also they can focus on other cases that require physical presence. No need to patrol the entire subway, put 100 police officers to just patrol, every station when you can have 2-3 guys watch the cameras and just 2-3 patrols ready for intervention.

Faster to solve, but by not patrolling haven't they given up on detterence?
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