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The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Post by detourdog »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #25

Everything we love about human creativity is being destroyed by AI models and when some of us point it out, we're getting downvoted by an army of AI kool-aid drinkers. It's plain insane. You downvoters really cannot see what's wrong with a Phrack article written in an insufferable LLMish tone that reads just like a 2026 LinkedIn feed? You are lost.

Human creativity only dies with the entirety of the human race. As bleak as things may look the simplest thing to do is just not use AI if it bothers you. Focus all your efforts on some great tech based on risc-v. If one does that it would develop an amazing skill set.

I work with tech and the phase of my current development doesn’t leverage AI.

Once I know exactly my needs I will likely start to adopt AI to fill in the details of my plan.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Post by juleiie »

nearlyepic wrote: post #16
juleiie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, should have used Claude. Gpt is embarassing. You won’t get my point so I have to lay it bare: That doesn’t matter. Content counts and not the methods to create it.

You’re right. The content sucks, because it was created with an LLM.

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Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Post by Mario970 »

ares623 wrote: post #23

The Hacker Spirit was largely subsidized on the (relatively) high salaries afforded to engineers*. What happens when that well dries up? Plus the relative freedom available to said hackers in the past, that is now being choked by the very same tools they've built. We like to think of ourselves as capable systems designers, coming up with complex reliable/durable/highly-available/distributed systems to be proud of. Bu…

The hacker culture in Latin America was largely driven by frustration with the subpar hardware/software options available to the general public, and the financial inaccessibility of better options. So I wouldn't say that financial stability is a prerequisite for hacker culture to thrive.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Post by detourdog »

stackghost wrote: post #26
TacticalCoder wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> LLMs are here to stay. The "hacker spirit" doesn't require being a Luddite and rejecting LLMs ... You've got it all wrong. I pay three AI subscriptions and I use LLMs every day, for various tasks. I know models are here to stay (not just LLM ones). At least 12 computers at home (well counting the Pis and NUCs as computers) and at all times at least half of those turned on. And more VMs than that (and agents running…

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html >Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. I can't think of any comment less interesting and more tangential these days than yet another screed about LLMs using em dashes or particular speech patterns. Seriously who fucking cares

The other thing is who really knows if it was human or LLM. I think I have been accused of writing like an LLM.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Post by Retr0id »

ramon156 wrote: post #8

this doesnt really reflect the vibe old school hackers give. "solder a wifi module to a calculator" sounds like a cartoon-inspired project. Why not reference call spoofing (i forgot the name) where they were able to call for no charge because they were able to spoof a real call. that's the kind of hacker vibe i want continued.

Because phreaking in the traditional sense hasn't worked for decades?

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Post by Retr0id »

ares623 wrote: post #23

The Hacker Spirit was largely subsidized on the (relatively) high salaries afforded to engineers*. What happens when that well dries up? Plus the relative freedom available to said hackers in the past, that is now being choked by the very same tools they've built. We like to think of ourselves as capable systems designers, coming up with complex reliable/durable/highly-available/distributed systems to be proud of. Bu…

I see it the other way. Applying the skills to a job is much more lucrative, so most do that instead.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Post by [deleted] »

AuthAuth wrote: post #29
ramon156 wrote: post #8

this doesnt really reflect the vibe old school hackers give. "solder a wifi module to a calculator" sounds like a cartoon-inspired project. Why not reference call spoofing (i forgot the name) where they were able to call for no charge because they were able to spoof a real call. that's the kind of hacker vibe i want continued.

That is not something that should be encouraged. Hacking together projects like a wifi calculator is fun, harmless and builds knowledge. Hacking a phoneline can land a kid in jail. Attacking public infra is not something that should be treated lightly.

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Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Post by stackghost »

adiabatichottub wrote: post #18
stackghost wrote: post #10

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> The "hacker spirit" doesn't require being a Luddite Just to be pedantic, the Luddites weren't anti-technology, they were fighting against a means of production that they could never hope to own and which was ruining their livelihoods.

Why engage with the substance of my comment when you can be pedantic am I right?
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