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Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by anon48293 »

ares623 wrote: post #20
defrost wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The parents are the ones who should be supervising. Ok. When Alice & Bob come home from school what steps should every parent take to supervise A&B's phone and device usage over the past 48 hours? Internet history, of course - for all the browsers, including those hidden away? But what if the logs are wiped or the second BraveFoxChrome installation isn't obvious? Must every parent have an IT degree? What if the par…

Never mind the fact that Facebook, etc. has BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH of software engineers, designers, psychologists making absolutely damn sure that little Alice & Bob keep their nice little eyes glued and their little thumbs scrolling.

If their eyes and thumbs are that little perhaps you as a parent shouldn’t buy them devices, but let them play outside.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by isdononthephone »

Seeing as this is Illinois we're talking about, it's probably less about protecting kids and more about extorting punitive fines from tech companies for non-compliance.

> violations can cost up to $50,000 each

I hear slot machine noises.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by imdsm »

isdononthephone wrote: post #32

Seeing as this is Illinois we're talking about, it's probably less about protecting kids and more about extorting punitive fines from tech companies for non-compliance. > violations can cost up to $50,000 each I hear slot machine noises.

it's a strange business model that works for the EU

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by csydas »

raincole wrote: post #23

That's the correct way to do it. Age should be something reported by browser/os/hardware. Something similar to User-Agent. I really hope this will end the whole third party age verification farce.

it's not

age verification laws have little to do with protecting anyone, and social media companies are attempting to remove themselves from liability for their dangerous product by pushing for it

social media in its current unregulated state is harmful as has been demonstrated repeatedly with (suppressed) studies, and the push for age verification instead of regulation on the actual harmful content

age verification will always be a tool to censor whatever content certain interest groups want to censor and it is a wild violation of privacy as has been repeatedly demonstrated every time an identity verification firm gets hacked, they do not take this seriously at all, and all the while the actual harmful sites continue to do harm and have the ability to blame others for not 'protecting' people from the harm their product causes

it's a complete farce and has nothing to do with protecting anyone except tech companies peddling a harmful product

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by HedonicEscal8r »

defrost wrote: post #16
ronsor wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. The parents are the ones who should be supervising. The work should not be pushed off to OSS devs or random website operators. Facebook is bad, but I'd rather deal with one Facebook than kill 1000 normal sites with bad legislation.

> The parents are the ones who should be supervising. Ok. When Alice & Bob come home from school what steps should every parent take to supervise A&B's phone and device usage over the past 48 hours? Internet history, of course - for all the browsers, including those hidden away? But what if the logs are wiped or the second BraveFoxChrome installation isn't obvious? Must every parent have an IT degree? What if the par…

If the kid's old enough to be hiding their internet history from their parents, they're old enough to have some privacy.

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by __del__ »

isdononthephone wrote: post #24
raincole wrote: post #23

That's the correct way to do it. Age should be something reported by browser/os/hardware. Something similar to User-Agent. I really hope this will end the whole third party age verification farce.

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five minutes? it took me two minutes to come up with a threat:

someone will serve an innocuous page to adults, and some malicious honeypot trickery to children, all based on an http header.

"you've won five billion robux! click allow [to a webcam permission] to be able to receive them into your account!"

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by defrost »

HedonicEscal8r wrote: post #35
defrost wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The parents are the ones who should be supervising. Ok. When Alice & Bob come home from school what steps should every parent take to supervise A&B's phone and device usage over the past 48 hours? Internet history, of course - for all the browsers, including those hidden away? But what if the logs are wiped or the second BraveFoxChrome installation isn't obvious? Must every parent have an IT degree? What if the par…

If the kid's old enough to be hiding their internet history from their parents, they're old enough to have some privacy.

and if they're just old enough to follow instructions from an older cousin, an online predator, or to hand over their phone to a candy waving dubious third party for a "roblox coin hack" ?

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by defrost »

pibaker wrote: post #27
defrost wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The parents are the ones who should be supervising. Ok. When Alice & Bob come home from school what steps should every parent take to supervise A&B's phone and device usage over the past 48 hours? Internet history, of course - for all the browsers, including those hidden away? But what if the logs are wiped or the second BraveFoxChrome installation isn't obvious? Must every parent have an IT degree? What if the par…

The same steps you take to make sure they are not smoking in a back alley on the way home.

You sniff their clothing for evidence of a porn site or chatting with a predator?

Re: Illinois just told every operating system to start reporting your kid's age

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Post by OKRainbowKid »

imdsm wrote: post #33
isdononthephone wrote: post #32

Seeing as this is Illinois we're talking about, it's probably less about protecting kids and more about extorting punitive fines from tech companies for non-compliance. > violations can cost up to $50,000 each I hear slot machine noises.

it's a strange business model that works for the EU

Occasionally holding trillion dollar corporations accountable to the law is not a business model.

I reckon the societal damage these "social" media companies inflict is magnitudes larger than whatever puny fines they've had to cough up so far for breaking the law.

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