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Post by blini-kot »

_fw wrote: post #53

It’s a moot point. I’m saddened at the invasion of privacy and the intrusion on an individual’s civil liberties, but anonymous travel on the London Underground died when they made bank cards and contactless the primary way to get through the barriers. I’m not saying that “this doesn’t matter because it’s slightly worse than before”. I’m saying the frog has been boiling for a long time. I don’t want people being surpr…

To add: same happened in russia around 2018 on a couple of subway stations in St.-Pete and in moscow at first

the result? faster tracking and arrests of people for checks who were deemed too problematic + (i.e. with anti-war protests in 2022) the cameras were used to track or threat tracking almost everyone who protested, and lowering the load on the police by coming to the dwellings afterwards in the next several days or even weeks without the need to do it there and then

in 2018-2021 it was still possible to overwhelm the holding capacity of jails in major cities, but after mass tracking it more or less became obsolete

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Post by rjh29 »

yearesadpeople wrote: post #184

It's the usual responses isn't it: _'I'm saddened'_ or, _'what has happened to Britain'_. Had a look at America, Russia, or Belarus, etc.? Living in the UK is fantastic.

Two things can be true here

1. The UK "surveillance state" narrative pushed in the US is overblown and we do not think about it or care about it as much as Americans do

2. Living in the UK is not "fantastic" for a decent percentage of people. Cost of living is insane.

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Post by rjh29 »

iamnothere wrote: post #110
kypro wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the people rely on each other to enforce social norms This is probably the difference. Here's a video of a leading UK MP (whose party largely represents upper-middle class white-Brits) reacing to someone doing something he doesn't like on public transport: https://www.facebook.com/libdems/videos/stop-the-headphone-d... Note the passivate aggression, then the threat to use state force to stop it. British people are…

The thing is, Japanese are also typically very polite! For minor violations of social protocol, you’re most likely to get a polite request or indirect reminder from someone. (It would be rude to make someone lose face, even someone who is violating a norm!) Yet somehow it works.

The UK doesn't have 軍隊式教育 and that is a major factor in why Japanese society works as well as it does.

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Post by userbinator »

deadbunny wrote: post #107
Simulacra wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak to other nations, but given the present issues in Britain with two tier policing, they will receive a religious exemption. Which may result in everyone wearing a hijab just for privacy.

Do you have some examples of "two tier policing"?

Henry Nowak

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Post by bluefirebrand »

WalterBright wrote: post #282
ridgeguy wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I use the human-run checkout lines. I want to keep the humans employed.

Our high standard of living is due to machines doing the work rather than humans.

Part of our high standard of living relies on living in a high trust society, which self checkouts seem to erode.

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Post by whilenot-dev »

WalterBright wrote: post #282
ridgeguy wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I use the human-run checkout lines. I want to keep the humans employed.

Our high standard of living is due to machines doing the work rather than humans.

All fine and dandy, but in the case of self-checkouts the cashier work is done by myself, and I'm not a machine.

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Post by freakynit »

The issue with all this surveillance is that it always ends up with suppression of dissent and silencing of opposition by abusing enforcement agencies.

All such surveillance should start with 24-hour live video feed of private lives of all politicians... they carry immense power and control, and thus, warrant an equally powerful monitoring and scrutiny compared to common people.

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Post by america_sux »

WalterBright wrote: post #282
ridgeguy wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I use the human-run checkout lines. I want to keep the humans employed.

Our high standard of living is due to machines doing the work rather than humans.

Not all machines lead to increase in the standard of living, and many things that would improve the standard of living are not done. At some point the argument you have made becomes irrelevant and cliched.

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Post by jstanley »

ifwinterco wrote: post #280
vnnDiag wrote: post #250

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Retail groups had to retract claims of organized shoplifting: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/08/business/organized-shopli... They just dirty the airwaves with whatever lies they want to justify spying. Drag them to court where they have to be honest and well, their BS is revealed. The low trust side is entirely on the rich owners class side of the divide. Academics and credentialed class take some blame here too; of…

Maybe not organised like the mafia but you 100% get crackheads shoplifting in an organised fashion to get money for drugs in London, and self checkouts obviously make this easier. Not unheard of to get crackheads trying to sell you stolen supermarket meat out of a bag if you hang around in some of the less salubrious pubs

Do you even have crackheads in London? I was familiar with "crackhead" only as an American concept.

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Post by rob74 »

tpholland wrote: post #181
hn_submit wrote: post #147

Britain is the original Orwellian society!! They even practice DoubleSpeak and DoubleThink in Blighty, especially in government and parliamentary circles.

It will be fine. Most Brits are comfortable with the poor quality of Orwell commentary from over the pond. American Orwell fans mostly don't even read his key novels like Keep the Aspadistra Flying, just his juvenile science fiction stuff.

Juvenile science fiction?! He wrote 1984 in 1948 and died two years later at age 46. So I would say that was his most mature work...
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