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US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by Hilliard_Ohiooo »

rdtsc wrote: post #196
MarkMarine wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can’t speak for others but the most damaging part of direct combat is watching people that you consider to be family die or be maimed.

> the most damaging part of direct combat is watching people that you consider to be family die or be maimed. I've heard from various places over the years (documentaries, friends) that soldiers really fight for their comrades at the end of the day. As in when asked "why are you here fighting" if they are in front of a news crews or something where they have to say "we're bringing democracy to ..." they'll just say s…

I was in the military and in my experience people that chose to go into war zones, it's optional, are fucked in the head and literally enjoy killing people, I've seen it a dozen times. They want to kill.

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Post by culi »

jckahn wrote: post #183
culi wrote: post #173

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I mean it's not like we know those "adversaries" ever wanted to murder us. For example, the US has a long record of assassinating labor leaders in South America to protect our Banana Republics on behalf of Chiquita. I think it's absolutely fair to bring in skepticism towards the secrets our military keeps from us

Do you believe that "death to America" chants should not be taken seriously?

I'm saying it is foolish and historically uninformed to hold a blind faith that everyone that the US labels an "adversary" is evil.

Would you like to engage with the comment I left?

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Post by constantius »

cushychicken wrote: post #57
YesThatTom2 wrote: post #11

I suspect the Cold War of cyber warfare that is happening is orders of magnitude bigger than the public knows. Imagine knowing this and not being able to get emotional support from your friends and family.

Used to work in this field. You're correct: not being able to talk about it is the worst part. This is equally true of successes as well as challenges. I did some cool, very impactful stuff in that job. I will go to jail for a long, long time if I ever go into detail about it.

> cool, very impactful stuff in that job

When the job is killing people who stand in the way of US empire.

Shameful, I'd say, but shame is not a feeling you seem to be able to feel.

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Post by Hilliard_Ohiooo »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #189
kstrauser wrote: post #151

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This was a big thing for drone people based out of Eppley AFB in Omaha. Wake up, drive to work, attack enemies, drive home, sit there eating dinner with your family trying to pretend you didn’t kill someone and can’t talk about it. Combat troops get to lean on each other after a firefight: “dude, good shot. That guy was about to get us!” You get validation that you did something to safe you and your friends, and it’s…

America is so obsessed with helping its own murder more and they're surprised when those doing the murdering have feelings, too. The Deer Hunter (1978) taught me this. It taught me that America will go to insane lengths to heal the wounds they cause to their own in the service of murdering others. It's a disgusting culture. Go ahead and downvote me. I don't give a shit.

America has been an evil empire for a long time the people making money don't want to admit it.

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Post by alexashka »

jckahn wrote: post #143
alexashka wrote: post #137

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> There are absolutely problems in that sector - bad management and regulatory capture being primary among them. (Ultimately, those are why I left.) Where does 'murder' rank in your list of problems with 'the defense' sector? Is it above or below the number of vacation days?

Is the implication here that we should take the moral high ground and let our adversaries murder us first?

No. Any other 80 IQ strawmen you would like me to address for you?

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Post by Hilliard_Ohiooo »

cushychicken wrote: post #57
YesThatTom2 wrote: post #11

I suspect the Cold War of cyber warfare that is happening is orders of magnitude bigger than the public knows. Imagine knowing this and not being able to get emotional support from your friends and family.

Used to work in this field. You're correct: not being able to talk about it is the worst part. This is equally true of successes as well as challenges. I did some cool, very impactful stuff in that job. I will go to jail for a long, long time if I ever go into detail about it.

Took me a year to get my secret clearance in the military, I promise you no one gives a s** about anything you say once you're out. It is a fun way to feel self-important though :-)

I was a part of the world's largest illegal operation in history and again I promise you no one gives a s**.

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Post by naikrovek »

Hilliard_Ohiooo wrote: post #204
kstrauser wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was a big thing for drone people based out of Eppley AFB in Omaha. Wake up, drive to work, attack enemies, drive home, sit there eating dinner with your family trying to pretend you didn’t kill someone and can’t talk about it. Combat troops get to lean on each other after a firefight: “dude, good shot. That guy was about to get us!” You get validation that you did something to safe you and your friends, and it’s…

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> Therapy for normal people is one of the absolute worst things that feminism has done to society.

No, people who think and say things like that are one of the absolute worst things to happen to society.

If you think treating women as human beings is bad, you’re one of the worst things that has happened to society, end of statement.

This is so unbelievably crystal clear to people who think that it isn’t even a topic of discussion anymore.

“Women belong in the kitchen” is colossal ignorance and/or active and intentional desire not to learn in the same sphere as flat earthers, witch hunters, and anti-vaxxers.

Go stand in a corner until you believe that women should be able to do what they want to the exact same degree as men.

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Post by archagon »

techpression wrote: post #147
throwaway-11-1 wrote: post #133

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Wow crazy, what’s it like having a job with absolutely zero ethical consideration?

I think most people think the ethical values are far higher in those jobs than most random startup bs just wasting resources. I definitely do, I would rather work in the military than Meta/Amazon/Microsoft/Any online gambling/and loads of other shit companies.

Thou shalt not kill is pretty straightforward.

Re: US Military's cyber command unit grapples with cluster of deaths by suicide

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Post by jckahn »

culi wrote: post #212
jckahn wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you believe that "death to America" chants should not be taken seriously?

I'm saying it is foolish and historically uninformed to hold a blind faith that everyone that the US labels an "adversary" is evil. Would you like to engage with the comment I left?

I agree that blindly assuming that all "adversaries" of the U.S. (per labeling by the U.S. government) want to kill us. But it does seem that some indeed do. It would further seem that proportionate countermeasures would be appropriate for those cases.

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Post by vkou »

MarkusQ wrote: post #185
vkou wrote: post #163

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It's possible that they think they are doing good things according to their moral framework. There are hundreds of millions of people with truly insane moral frameworks. It's possible that their particular job was, as far as they know, doing good things according to most moral frameworks. I have strong doubts that everyone who kills people by clicking on them on a computer screen thinks that what they are doing is wh…

Kills people by clicking on them? WTF? This is about network security, defending against cyber attacks. You may or may not agree that we should have people doing that, but conflating it with imagined nonsense like this is counterproductive.

What do you think drone operators and their support staff do?
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