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The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

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Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#101

Post by juleiie »

lukewarm707 wrote: post #63
juleiie wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, should have used Claude. Gpt is embarassing. You won’t get my point so I have to lay it bare: That doesn’t matter. Content counts and not the methods to create it.

when i say 'written by an llm' i am skipping a step. it assumes the reader knows that llm style and diction is bad. but of course there are many reasons why it is so bad. for example, i would describe this article as grandiose, overdramatic and excessively ornate. ironically those styles show a lack of humanity. it has vanishingly little substance. take "a poetic snapshot of a subculture forming in the shadows". this…

Some people are more open to the message of a piece of writing and can easily handle mediocre form and still understand the argument.

I hope one day all of the people will acquire this skill.

For now we will have to do with pointless squabbles about too many em dashes and imperfect metaphors.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#102

Post by juleiie »

sailingparrot wrote: post #58
juleiie wrote: post #32

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It matters if an article was written by an expert or someone that only has surface knowledge about the topic. It matters if it’s written by someone talented with words or by someone that has to churn 10 articles a day for a content farm. So clearly not all sources are equal, and that applies to LLM too. If you spend 4h of your time writing an article on something you care about it’s likely to be interesting. If the e…

Black-and-white thinking is the mark of a lazy mind. Reality offers more than two positions, and most of the truth lives in the space between them. Consider the practical case: you can sketch an article stream-of-consciousness, hand it to a model, and have something readable in thirty minutes instead of four hours.

That isn't cheating. That's a tool doing what tools do.

There's a certain irony in finding this much prejudice against a genuinely useful technology on a tech site, of all places. But it's your choice. Make the work harder than it needs to be, if that's what you want. Most people will use it regardless.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#103

Post by juleiie »

nearlyepic wrote: post #67
juleiie wrote: post #32

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> Argue with the content I am. It sounds like it was written by an LLM. That's synonymous with uninteresting and derivative. BTW, likening not wanting to read LLM output to racism is possibly one of the funniest things I've ever seen on this website. Thank you.

It’s suprisingly similar. In each case you shouldn’t care who written the text. Only judge it as is.

Whether black hands typed the words or binary hands. It just doesn’t matter.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#104

Post by ekelsen »

exiguus wrote: post #86
ekelsen wrote: post #73

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You're bad at recognizing it, sorry to say. You might still like the content or even the style, which is fine. But know that it was mostly written by a machine, not a human.

An em dash does not make the fact that it is written by LLM. Its use alone signals a command of style and precision. Nearly every Newspaper article is written by an LLM, if we follow this logic.

I said nothing about the em dash. It's the entire style of the piece, not one unit of punctuation.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#105

Post by nearlyepic »

juleiie wrote: post #103
nearlyepic wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Argue with the content I am. It sounds like it was written by an LLM. That's synonymous with uninteresting and derivative. BTW, likening not wanting to read LLM output to racism is possibly one of the funniest things I've ever seen on this website. Thank you.

It’s suprisingly similar. In each case you shouldn’t care who written the text. Only judge it as is. Whether black hands typed the words or binary hands. It just doesn’t matter.

It does, actually - people are alive and computers aren’t. In case you forgot.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#106

Post by juleiie »

nearlyepic wrote: post #105
juleiie wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s suprisingly similar. In each case you shouldn’t care who written the text. Only judge it as is. Whether black hands typed the words or binary hands. It just doesn’t matter.

It does, actually - people are alive and computers aren’t. In case you forgot.

Do yourself a favor and conduct a simple thought experiment that will destroy any possible argument.

We are in year 2030, four years from now. LLM or similar architecture, produces output indistinguishable from a human. It can do this already if you are good at prompting to be honest.

So you read an article and you have no way of knowing whether it is made by an LLM or whether it is made by a human.

Do you cease to read anything released post 2026 out of sheer stubbornness/stupidity or do you keep reading articles?

Because if you keep reading then you have no way of knowing, you already have read hundreds of AI generated articles without realizing. The survivorship bias has presented you with an article that is easy to see how it was made using AI.

Now the plot twist is that it is already the 2030 for simple article generation and anyone can produce short text indistinguishable from 100% manual output. Hell it was possible a year ago no problem.

So you focusing on whether the AI was used or maybe it was generated fully using some smaller local private model probably, is quite moot. It doesn't matter. It is still a bad article.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#107

Post by sailingparrot »

juleiie wrote: post #102
sailingparrot wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It matters if an article was written by an expert or someone that only has surface knowledge about the topic. It matters if it’s written by someone talented with words or by someone that has to churn 10 articles a day for a content farm. So clearly not all sources are equal, and that applies to LLM too. If you spend 4h of your time writing an article on something you care about it’s likely to be interesting. If the e…

Black-and-white thinking is the mark of a lazy mind. Reality offers more than two positions, and most of the truth lives in the space between them. Consider the practical case: you can sketch an article stream-of-consciousness, hand it to a model, and have something readable in thirty minutes instead of four hours. That isn't cheating. That's a tool doing what tools do. There's a certain irony in finding this much pr…

> That isn't cheating. That's a tool doing what tools do.

I should have known I was arguing with a bot all along

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#108

Post by juleiie »

sailingparrot wrote: post #107
juleiie wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Black-and-white thinking is the mark of a lazy mind. Reality offers more than two positions, and most of the truth lives in the space between them. Consider the practical case: you can sketch an article stream-of-consciousness, hand it to a model, and have something readable in thirty minutes instead of four hours. That isn't cheating. That's a tool doing what tools do. There's a certain irony in finding this much pr…

> That isn't cheating. That's a tool doing what tools do. I should have known I was arguing with a bot all along

You have no way of knowing. I could just have preference to write this way. Or not.

Maybe I am using AI to write this comment. Or maybe I only stylize some comments to sound like AI to make a point?

In any case you lose if you think it matters.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#109

Post by raffael_de »

ramon156 wrote: post #8

this doesnt really reflect the vibe old school hackers give. "solder a wifi module to a calculator" sounds like a cartoon-inspired project. Why not reference call spoofing (i forgot the name) where they were able to call for no charge because they were able to spoof a real call. that's the kind of hacker vibe i want continued.

I agree. Maybe that example was chosen because what chose it was an LLM fed with data up until about 2025 and nowadays that is sadly what "hacking" has become - cartoonish, pointless toy projects ... like the infamous make Doom run on a washing machine.

Re: The Hacker's Renaissance (2025)

#110

Post by [deleted] »

juleiie wrote: post #101
lukewarm707 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

when i say 'written by an llm' i am skipping a step. it assumes the reader knows that llm style and diction is bad. but of course there are many reasons why it is so bad. for example, i would describe this article as grandiose, overdramatic and excessively ornate. ironically those styles show a lack of humanity. it has vanishingly little substance. take "a poetic snapshot of a subculture forming in the shadows". this…

Some people are more open to the message of a piece of writing and can easily handle mediocre form and still understand the argument. I hope one day all of the people will acquire this skill. For now we will have to do with pointless squabbles about too many em dashes and imperfect metaphors.

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