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So many people complained about using GPT 5.4 in OpenClaw... But after some tuning, it actually works great?

Agreed! And I hope that we see the principles emerge in many other frameworks to make all our lives a little bit simpler

the bitter lesson comes for us all, unfortunately!

Thank you! Let me know if anything could be more clear, always something I can improve here I'm sure :)

yeah the point I want to get across is less "you should use Dspy" and more "understand Dspy, so you are intentionally implementing the capabilities you need" Implementations are ge…

You can see many people saying this in the comments :). I personally think this misses the core of what Dspy "is". Dspy encourages you to write your code in a way that better enabl…

I think many people have the same experience! And that's the point I'm trying to make. There are patterns here that are worth adopting, whether or not you're using Dspy :)

I think the reality is that prompt optimization is one of the only "legible benefits" (ie easy to understand why its valuable). But I think it misses the point of what Dspy "is". I…

we have been using Agent Framework. I also have been eyeing LlmTornado. Personally, I find dotnet as a whole hard to implement the kind of abstractions I want to have to make it er…

I think automatic optimization is valuable, but it's not what Dspy "is"; you can see this consistently through @lateinteraction's tweets. And hopefully it's clear enough from the p…

The "whole product" idea here makes a lot of sense to me. I think this is often a big barrier to adoption for sure!

yeah this is the main point I wanted to get across! I rarely recommend people to use Dspy; but I think Dspy is often so polarizing that people "throw out the baby with the bathwate…

This is very true! I could have been more careful/precise in how I worded this. I was really trying to just get across that it's in a sense easier than some tasks that can be much …

I think in some sense, this is the real thing everyone wants. Everything else is kind of an implementation detail! Would be really curious to see what you're building!

Great feedback! I took for granted that people reading would be familiar with what Dspy is. I'll try to add this in tonight to introduce folks better. Thank you!

To be clear: I don't know that I would recommend using it, exactly. I would just make sure you understand the lessons so you see how it best makes sense to apply to your project :)…

I think the core challenge here is that being able to (in "development") quickly change the prompt or other parameters and re-run the system to see how it changes is really valuabl…

This is definitely a mistake! What contact section are you referring to? The only references to contact I see in this post now are at the end where I linked to my X/LinkedIn profil…

I have never heard of this! I took a quick look. I think I'm definitely not in the right audience for a tool like this, as I am more comfortable just writing code. But I think putt…

I saw this some time ago! I personally have a distaste for external DSLs as I think it generally introduces complexity that I don't think is actually worthwhile, so I skipped over …

Yeah, I find it hard to recommend Dspy. At the same time, I can't escape the observation that many companies are re-implementing a lot of parts of it. So I think it's important to …

I personally haven't looked super closely at ADK. But I would love if someone more knowledgeable could do a sort of comparison. I imagine there are a lot of similar/shared ideas!

I think this is an important point! I am actually a big fan of doing what works in the language(s) you're already using. For example: I don't use Dspy at work! And I'm working in a…

I think all of these things are table-stakes; yet I see that they are implemented/supported poorly across many companies. All I'm saying is there are some patterns here that are im…