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A couple of things here: - Intellij IDEA with the Cursive extension is very popular outside of emacs (I've met more clojure developers who use IDEs than those who don't.) - Clojure…

I think Rich's point may be specific to Java switch statements and their limitations. (I know he's familiar with MLs, but I would imagine his frame of reference is mostly colored b…

I have noticed that our developers coming from javascript pretty much exclusively feel that way (and tend to write sharper UIs.) The ones who come from the JVM and feel more embold…

As a person who has and currently does work professionally in clojure (at multiple all-clojure shops): The smart engineer effect is extremely overblown. You will hire smarter-than-…

This is not what I meant by maintainable. The companies I've programmed clojure in were sizable and bet on it for their entire stack, and hired very sharp senior people to work on …

This absolutely matches my experience as a full time Clojure dev at multiple companies. Leadership is desperate to replace the code with something more maintainable. It's gotten ba…

I'll try re-frame-test, thanks! If it doesn't do something like `(with-redefs [re-frame.db/app-db (reagent/atom {})] ...)` it is still open to this bug, though. Because the call to…

Three things that would make re-frame better, if you want them: - A supported/blessed way to switch out the entire app-db entirely for the purposes of testing - Use of symbols rath…

Yep, pretty large & business critical app. BTW, while I'm not sold on re-frame personally, it is used in a sizable project that has powered a lot of business for us, so thank you f…

> I've seen developers remark how turned off they got by reading stuff like this on its front page, which is frankly just noise and undermines the goals of a serious project: This …

I've run a team with re-frame and a team with reagent (and a convention of a single state atom.) Reagent by itself scaled far better. I use re-frame if it's a company convention, b…